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Above Board

Above Board

A podcast exploring running an indie + bootstrapped software (SaaS) company.

Fathom Analytics

97 episodesENExplicit

Show overview

Above Board has been publishing since 2019, and across the 5 years since has built a catalogue of 97 episodes, alongside 1 trailer or bonus episode. That works out to roughly 55 hours of audio in total. Releases follow a monthly cadence.

Episodes typically run twenty to thirty-five minutes — most land between 26 min and 40 min — though episode length varies meaningfully from one episode to the next. The publisher flags most episodes as explicit, so expect adult themes or strong language throughout. It is catalogued as a EN-language Business show.

The catalogue appears to be on hiatus or wound down — the most recent episode landed 1.4 years ago, with no new episodes in over a year. The busiest year was 2020, with 25 episodes published. Published by Fathom Analytics.

Episodes
97
Running
2019–2024 · 5y
Median length
31 min
Cadence
Monthly

From the publisher

A podcast exploring running an indie + bootstrapped software (SaaS) company. Follow Jack and Paul (the co-founders) in their journey of building and growing Fathom Analytics. Published every two weeks, listen in on lively debates about profit, customers, software, and how they’re working to keep their business in line with their values. This is a podcast from Fathom Analytics (usefathom.com).

Latest Episodes

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Ep 98Paul has retired

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In this episode of the Fathom Analytics Above Board podcast, hosts Paul Jarvis and Jack Ellis dive into a significant transition—Paul's retirement from the company. The conversation is both heartfelt and insightful, reflecting on the bittersweet nature of this change.Key Highlights:Retirement Announcement: Paul shares his decision to retire, emphasizing it as a positive step rather than a departure from something he disliked. He discusses the importance of leaving Fathom in a strong position without compromising its independenceBittersweet Emotions: Both hosts express mixed feelings about the end of their five-year partnership, acknowledging the deep connection they've built while also looking forward to new beginningsCompany Evolution: The discussion touches on Fathom's unexpected journey from a side project to a thriving business, highlighting the trust and collaboration that defined their co-founding relationshipFuture Plans: Paul contemplates his next steps post-retirement, sharing that while he doesn’t foresee jumping back into entrepreneurship , he remains open to possibilities. He reflects on how he has never tied his identity to the business, allowing for a smoother transitionThis episode is not just about retirement; it’s a celebration of growth, friendship, and the unpredictability of entrepreneurial life.Read more about this announcement on the blog.

Dec 4, 202430 min

Ep 97Why Google search is failing us

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In the latest episode of The Above Board Podcast, hosts Paul Jarvis and Jack Ellis discuss the decline of Google as an effective search engine, particularly in light of its increasing reliance on AI-generated content. They share personal anecdotes about their frustrations with search results, noting that traditional search engines like Google and DuckDuckGo have become less reliable, often returning irrelevant or incorrect information. Jack expresses skepticism about AI's ability to replace developers, arguing that while AI can assist with basic tasks, it often fails in more complex scenarios, leading to wasted time and confusion. Both hosts lament the impact of SEO practices on content quality, which they believe prioritizes keyword optimization over meaningful information, resulting in a frustrating user experience filled with ads and irrelevant content. They conclude that many users are outsourcing their critical thinking to AI and search engines, which may ultimately hinder their understanding and knowledge retention.TakeawaysGoogle search has become less effective over timeAI is not a reliable tool for complex technical tasksSEO practices have led to a decline in content qualitySearch results can significantly influence public opinionUnderstanding the incentives behind search engines is crucialAI-generated content can often be incorrect or misleadingThe reliance on AI may lead to a decline in critical thinkingUsers are increasingly frustrated with the quality of search resultsThe future of search engines may involve more AI integrationTrust in search engines is diminishing due to advertising influence

Oct 15, 202430 min

Ep 96Fathom updates and WP drama

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Jack and Paul discuss what’s new at Fathom Analytics recently, like the ongoing refactor project. This paves the way for great new features, including entry and exit pages. They also give their opinions on the recent drama in the WordPress (WP) community between Automattic and WPEngine.

Sep 30, 202419 min

Ep 95Jack and Paul talk politics

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In the latest episode of the Above Board Podcast, hosts Paul Jarvis and Jack Ellis discuss various topics, with a significant portion of the conversation focuses on the recent arrest of Telegram's CEO in France (Pavel Durov), exploring the implications of privacy and censorship, encryption, and the responsibilities of social media platforms in policing illegal activities. The hosts debate the complexities of freedom of speech, censorship, and the role of government and corporations in regulating discourse, emphasizing the importance of allowing open discussions to foster understanding and informed opinions.

Aug 27, 202447 min

Ep 94Small updates, big progress

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Things are humming along at Fathom Analytics - we’ve released several new features, have more in the pipeline coming soon, and the redoing of our internal processes is going quite well. Jack and Paul also discuss the Stripe acquisition of LemonSqueezy, the CEO of Paddle stepping down and finally, why Fathom does’t do discounts or sales (ever).

Jul 29, 202428 min

Ep 93New Fathom UI, who dis?

Jack and Paul get into updating the application’s interface design and how that paves the way for new features coming soon. They also discuss why no one should trust Google’s business model (and their penchant for killing off popular products like Universal Analytics), the lengths Fathom goes to to support old analytics data, why you should lean into what works for you (even if it’s not the consensus), why companies should care a lot more about protecting their customers data, why public corporations are incentivized for being sociopaths, and so much more.

Jul 15, 202441 min

Ep 92Exploring the Ethics and privacy implications of AI

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The conversation delves into the ethical implications of AI, the use of AI in software, and the impact of AI on various industries. It also explores the challenges and limitations of AI technology, as well as the importance of privacy and data protection in AI development.TakeawaysAI has the potential to revolutionize industries but raises ethical concerns about privacy and data protection.The use of AI in software development presents challenges and limitations, including the need for accuracy and reliability.Privacy and data protection are crucial considerations in the development and use of AI technology, especially with what data is used to train these models.The impact of AI on various industries requires careful evaluation and ethical decision-making, not just “moving fast and breaking things”.AI’s ego is it’s problem: it thinks it’s correct when it’s not, and attempts to be convincing about things it can’t know for certain is true.

Jun 4, 202421 min

Ep 91The problem with big projects

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Today Jack and Paul discuss what's not been working with getting the next version of Fathom Analytics launched. They come up with a plan, in real-time, to overcome this hurdle and get back to a regular cadence of releases (i.e. not a big project). They also come up with a set of rules to govern internal projects.

May 22, 202437 min

Ep 90The art of progress

Software is complex. This episode goes into the pros and cons of how Jack (developer) and Paul (designer) work in terms of how they each make progress in huge projects, start and execute tasks, and deal with analysis paralysis that comes with complicated things.

May 6, 202442 min

Ep 89The road to version 4

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It’s been a while since Jack and Paul have recorded an episode of this show, so there’s a lot to catch up on! A new marketing site was launched, we’re still a small team navigating focus, we’re working on a brand new version of our software, and we’ve prototyped a new ingest to be the fastest analytics ingest in the world.

Apr 22, 202422 min

Ep 88Version 3.5 and the shape of things to come with Fathom Analytics

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Last week, we released several new features in our software and a fresh coat of paint in the UI. Jack and Paul discuss these features and how they relate to what’s coming up next, and they chat through the pricing increase that happened simultaneously. Lastly, they talk about why analytics software is more expensive than most hosting.

Dec 18, 202318 min

Ep 87Dealing with negative feedback

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What do you do when you can’t always please all your customers? Jack and Paul discuss how they deal with negative feedback, the different types of negative feedback, when it’s valuable (and when it’s not), and even how they deal with negative feedback internally in the company.

Nov 14, 202324 min

Ep 86SaaS founder time machine (questions)

Jack and Paul get into what’s going on inside Fathom Analytics right now, and then answer some questions about what it was like starting the company, what they’d do differently (or the same), and if there’s anything they’d change if they had to start Fathom again.Special thanks to Ben and Adam from the "Hackers Incorporated" podcast for the most of the questions answered on this episode.

Oct 30, 202329 min

Ep 85Vacations for bootstrapped founders

Can bootstrapped founders take time off for vacation? Is that even legal? And under what circumstances is that possible? Jack and Paul dive into vacations for indie founders, as well as a short update on what’s going on with Fathom Analytics on this episode of Above Board.

Oct 16, 202329 min

Ep 84Paul’s perfect day (for productivity)

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Jack and Paul dive into Paul’s routine and how he approaches tasks and work that needs doing. They chat about motivation, complex work, focus and so much more.

Sep 25, 202331 min

Ep 83Consultants for Startups

Is it harder for startup founders to hire consultants when they’re used to being the ones who do all the work? Why hire a consultant in the first place? Why not hire full-time instead? Aren't good consultants ridiculously expensive? Jack and Paul dive into these questions and more on this episode about SaaS companies hiring consultants.

Aug 28, 202326 min

Ep 82Justin Jackson and Paul Jarvis chat about starting and maintaining a SaaS

Old friends Justin and Paul catch up for the first time in years and catch each other up on the state of Transistor and Fathom. They cover lots of lessons for new and veteran entrepreneurs, spanning their decades of experience in the world of indie software: cofounders, markets, surfing, experience, product moats, free time, the importance of putting things out there, and so much more.

Jul 31, 20231h 14m

Ep 81Is a lot of startup advice incorrect?

Maybe it’s not even that advice is “incorrect”, maybe it’s just that it’s simplified to the point of being uselessly reductive. Regardless, Jack and Paul get into dissecting popular business and startup advice found online, and see what fits, what doesn’t, and where nuance and reason should be liberally applied.

Jul 17, 202332 min

Ep 80What does retirement look like for a SaaS founder?

Can we retire? Do we want to retire? Can we adjust our work now (pre-retirement) to get the most out of life while we’re still young (ish)? Jack and Paul dive into what retirement looks like both for each of them, but also what their retirement from Fathom could look like too.

Jul 3, 202339 min

Ep 78What’s important when everything’s important in your company?

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Jack and Paul get into a discussion about what happens when the company you started begins to do well, and you have to prioritize things that all seem equally important, and all seem like they need to get done at the same time. While they may not have any answers here, they do discuss what’s worked (and not worked) as far as Fathom Analytics is concerned.

Jun 26, 202317 min
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