ABA Banking Journal Podcast

The rarely used Congressional Review Act provides an opportunity for Congress and the president to overturn regulatory rulemakings — and the GOP trifecta in 2025 will bring new regulations up for review. On the latest episode of the ABA Banking Journal Podcast — sponsored by TransUnion — ABA experts Kirsten Sutton and Ginny O'Neill break down details about CRA that bankers need to know: Which rulemakings are subject to CRA disapproval resolutions — in financial services, principally Section 1033 and the newly finalized overdraft rule. How the GOP Congress might prioritize regulatory actions for CRA resolutions. The limitations on CRA and why, as Sutton says, "this is not a magic wand situation where Congress can just step in and CRA everything that we have a problem with." This episode is presented by TransUnion.

Saved by the bell? Millions of American businesses faced a January 1 deadline to register their beneficial owners with the Financial Crimes Enforcement Network — until a federal judge issued a preliminary injunction yesterday stopping FinCEN from enforcing the deadline. On the latest episode of the ABA Banking Journal Podcast — sponsored by TransUnion — ABA experts Heather Trew and Jonathan Blum discuss: What bankers and their business clients need to know about the preliminary injunction and its provisions. How the preliminary injunction does not affect financial institutions' customer due diligence requirements — even if businesses are not required to report their beneficial ownership information to FinCEN, banks are still obliged to collect it from clients as part of CDD. Potential ramifications for AML/BSA activities if the Corporate Transparency Act that authorized the BOI registry is found to be unconstitutional. How this and other cases challenging the BOI registry may shake out, as well as the range of views on Capitol Hill on where to go from here. How ABA is engaging with both the current Congress and administration, and will advocate with the next Congress and incoming presidential administration, on these issues. This episode is presented by TransUnion.

Advertising jingles: corny or clever? "Imagine the repetition over years in a community that hears it regularly," says Clark Hook of Financial Marketing Solutions. "It's whether you love or hate jingles, you cannot deny the power of that mnemonic device to put attribution to the things you're putting into the world." On the latest episode of the ABA Banking Journal Podcast — sponsored by Agri-Access — we take a look at bank jingles past and present. Expert bank marketers discuss: How and why community banks still find value in their jingles. The use of "sonic branding" and audio signatures as an alternative to traditional sung jingles — and how that sonic branding builds on historically successful and long-running jingles. The role of music in memory and brand recognition. Where banks overseas are using jingles. The interesting intersections between bank marketing and pop music. Read Craig Colgan's recent article on bank jingles.

Middle market businesses don't get the attention of the Fortune 500 or the love that small businesses get from policymakers, but these firms are still critical to the economy — accounting for a third of private-sector GDP and employing up to 50 million Americans. On the latest episode of the ABA Banking Journal Podcast — sponsored by Agri-Access — KeyBank commercial bank president Ken Gavrity discusses the outlook for the middle market, defined as businesses with annual revenues of $10 million to $1 billion. Among other topics, Gavrity discusses: Why middle market business leaders have grown more positive this fall about the outlook. How middle market firms' cost control and resilience-building during the inflationary period position them well as rates begin to come down. The improvement in the talent outlook for middle market firms. How middle market businesses are prepared to capitalize on the efficiencies, including automation and AI, that they instilled in the past few years. How KeyBank integrates its commercial payments business with its middle market services. This episode is presented by Agri-Access.

The Republican sweep of the presidency and Congress, with extremely narrow control of the House, sets up tax policy as a major issue in 2025. With many provisions of the 2017 Tax Cuts and Jobs Act expiring at the end of next year and tax policy changes able to be passed on a simple-majority basis through budget reconciliation, bankers can expect to see tax policy front and center. On the latest episode of the ABA Banking Journal Podcast — sponsored by Agri-Access — ABA VP Joey Connor discusses what to expect from the tax policy debate in 2025, including: The priority of extending Section 199(a) provisions for Subchapter S banks. Potential approaches to paying for a multi-trillion-dollar tax package. Issues related to credit union taxation and the base erosion that accompanies CU purchases of community banks. A range of complex technical tax issues, including GILTI, BEAT and Pillar 2 changes.

With commodity prices falling and producer expenses rising, it's a difficult moment for America's agricultural economy. On the latest episode of the ABA Banking Journal Podcast — sponsored by Agri-Access — Dakota Mac loan production officer Caleb Hopkins discusses strategies ag lenders are using to support their clients through this cycle. As chair of ABA's Agricultural and Rural Bankers Committee, Hopkins also provides a preview of the upcoming ABA Agricultural Bankers Conference. This episode is presented by Agri-Access.

John Asbury didn't need a new job in 2016, but when he saw an opportunity build something lost in the 1990s — what he calls "the great Virginia regional bank" — he took it. Eight years later, Richmond-based Atlantic Union Bank has more than tripled in size and is on track to reach nearly $40 billion in assets after completion of an announced acquisition of Sandy Spring Bank. On the latest episode of the ABA Banking Journal Podcast — sponsored by Alkami — AUB CEO Asbury talks about the transformation of the bank. He also discusses his agenda as the newly elected chair of the American Bankers Association, including advocating to remove arbitrary asset thresholds that distort banks' strategic growth plans, his approach to leadership development at the bank and his commitment to diversity, equity, inclusion and belonging.

Crypto investment scams cost Americans billions of dollars. The scammers start small with confidence or romance scams and gradually work their way up to demanding ever larger "investments." On the latest episode of the ABA Banking Journal Podcast — sponsored by Alkami — officials from the FBI's Criminal Investigative Division and the Commodity Futures Trading Commission break down how these scams work, typologies and red flags bankers should look out for and how banks can build proactive partnerships with law enforcement. They also discuss a new educational infographic on these scams produced jointly by the ABA Foundation and several government agencies.

How do community banks balance the need for cutting-edge technology and the human touch? On the latest episode of the ABA Banking Journal Podcast — sponsored by Alkami — Pamela Montpelier of Ballston Spa National Bank talks about how a laser-like focus on customer experience can help drive growth. Among other topics, Montpelier discusses the use of AI-based tools to improve decision-making and help bank employees replace manual processes with time spent engaging clients. She also talks about her experience working with a variety of banks as a service provider executive, prior to which she was the youngest female bank CEO in Massachusetts.

As president and CEO of $50 billion-plus BOK Financial, Stacy Kymes spends time thinking about the role of regional banks in the U.S. economy. On the latest episode of the ABA Banking Journal Podcast — sponsored by Alkami — Kymes talks about how BOK Financial finds unique niches and meets the credit and capital market needs in its core mid-America markets. Among other topics, Kymes discusses: BOK Financial's diversified business model that balances lending with fee businesses like an EFT network and treasury and wealth management. The role of Tulsa, Oklahoma-based BOK Financial in financing the energy economy. BOK Financial's tribal banking programs in Oklahoma and New Mexico, including a unique mortgage loan product for tribal lands. The bank's plans to grow share in core markets of Tulsa, Oklahoma City, Denver, Phoenix, Dallas and Houston. BOK's approach to talent management, recruitment and acquisition. The importance of having banks headquartered in "flyover states" that can meet the capital markets needs of large and middle-market firms.

Miami is often described as the northernmost city in Latin America, or sometimes as Latin America's business capital. On the latest episode of the ABA Banking Journal Podcast — sponsored by Alkami — Banesco USA President and CEO Cali Garcia-Velez discusses how he and his team are growing a Latin American banking franchise in South Florida and Puerto Rico. Among other topics, Garcia-Velez discusses: The origins of Banesco USA, which is an independent U.S.-chartered bank that is part of a franchise of other Banesco banks across the Americas. Banesco USA's growth plans in the turbocharged South Florida market, including its pivot into C&I lending and residential mortgages to balance its commercial real estate portfolio. How Banesco USA's loan growth was fueled by a capital award from the Treasury Department's Emergency Capital Investment Program for minority depository institutions. His own journey as a banker, which included turnaround assignments at troubled banks in Puerto Rico.

Most bankers dread the thought of a core conversion, but once that decision is made, the process can open up new opportunities for strategic growth. On the latest episode of the ABA Banking Journal Podcast — sponsored by Alkami — Webster Five CIO Kate Megraw discusses her bank's conversion and what she learned. Among other topics, Megraw explains: How a new core met the business strategy needs of Massachusetts-based Webster Five. The process of developing an RFP, exploring models and working with a core selection consultant. The role of commercial client growth in driving the need for a new core platform. Challenges and successes experienced in the conversion process. Megraw will join fellow Core Platforms Committee members to discuss conversions at the ABA Annual Convention, Oct. 27-29 in New York City.

As chief corporate responsibility officer for Webster Bank, Marissa Weidner works across the bank's footprints and business lines to help advance the bank's goals of financial empowerment. On the latest episode of the ABA Banking Journal Podcast — sponsored by Alkami — Weidner discusses the many dimensions of how this takes shape at the northeastern regional bank. Among other topics, she explores: Webster's focus on access to capital for small businesses, including those owned by minorities and women. How Webster designed its special-purpose credit program focused on homeownership. Webster's innovative "finance labs," built in partnership with local schools and nonprofit partners, to provide hands-on financial experience for young people from low-to-moderate-income areas. The role of Bank On accounts in Webster's financial inclusion strategy. Weidner also discusses her career journey — including experience in economic development, bank human resources and bank merger integration — that led her to her current role. This episode is presented by Alkami.

Fraud is front and center for America's banks, and on the latest episode of the ABA Banking Journal Podcast — sponsored by Alkami — ABA's Paul Benda and Peter Cook discuss several recent initiatives taken by ABA to help banks tackle fraud from a variety of fronts. Benda discusses ABA's recently expanded Fraud Contact Directory, which is free to all banks and now encompasses other forms of fraud to facilitate prompt claims. He also explores new tools banks are using to tackle rising fraud numbers. Meanwhile, Cook discusses the latest incarnation of ABA's award-winning #BanksNeverAskThat anti-phishing campaign — returning for a fourth year in October and also free to all banks — and previews a new companion initiative, Practice Safe Checks, that educates consumers about how to avoid becoming unwitting victims of check fraud.

Earlier this week, VersaBank closed on its purchase of Stearns Bank Holdingford N.A., giving the Canadian point-of-sale lender a point of entry into the U.S. market. On the season eight premiere of the ABA Banking Journal Podcast — sponsored by Alkami — VersaBank founder and CEO David Taylor discusses the bank's growth plans in the United States. Taylor also explores his career history in banking, the story of VersaBank as the first new bank to receive a license in Canada in 18 years, how the bank developed a deposit broker network in Canada, VersaBank's point-of-sale lending strategy (and how it can acquire loans without any equity from the finance company), and VersaBank's talent and culture. This episode is presented by Alkami.

Consumers everywhere see and hear credit union marketing campaigns, from PenFed's ubiquitous jingle to big stadium and Super Bowl sponsorship deals. In fact, according to a new ABA DataBank post from ABA's Dan Brown and Robert Flock, credit unions spend more than double what comparable banks do on marketing as a percentage of net income. But why do credit unions, which serve members from defined fields of membership, spend so much? On the ABA Banking Journal Podcast, Brown and Flock break down the legislative and regulatory history of fields of membership and how the average credit union has more than doubled its "potential membership" since new rules were finalized in 2015, using their taxpayer subsidy to fuel growth via marketing rather than lower rates and costs for their members.

At the midpoint of the year, what's the M&A outlook like for community banks? On the latest episode of the ABA Banking Journal Podcast, ABA Banking Journal Contributing Editor Paul Davis discusses what he's seeing with mergers and acquisitions and what to expect for the remainder of 2024. Davis, the founder of the Bank Slate newsletter, also discusses what he's hearing from banks about succession planning and talent and talks about budget forecasting, an area the Bank Slate is surveying bankers on for 2025.

On this episode of the ABA Banking Journal Podcast, ABA economist Jeff Huther discusses recent dynamics with the Secured Overnight Financing Rate, the "world's most important number." Huther delves into topics in his his new ABA DataBank essay, exploring how quantitative tightening has pushed SOFR toward the upper end of the Federal Open Market Committee's rate target range, the effects of monetary policy mechanisms like the Overnight Reverse Repo Facility, and how banks and other SOFR users can manage volatility that may emerge in the rate.

To mark Independence Day this week, this classic replay episode of the ABA Banking Journal explores the role of banking and finance in the American Revolution and the founding era. John Steele Gordon is an acclaimed economic historian whose books include Hamilton's Blessing, The Great Game and An Empire of Wealth; he is also the ABA Banking Journal's "From the Vault" columnist. In this episode, Gordon discusses: How not having any chartered banks prior to 1782 put the United States at a disadvantage during the Revolution. Conversely, how the Bank of England was a "secret weapon" for Britain during the war. The role of patriotic financiers like Robert Morris in achieving U.S. victory. The debates over a central bank in the post-revolutionary period and how they contributed to the development of the Constitution.

"We're seeing banks that have never been scrutinized before for redlining and being told that they have risk that they have not before and risk in ways that they've never really viewed it before," says Andrea Mitchell. "We're in some new territory, and I think it's important for CEOs to understand what their compliance officers and legal departments are seeing on the ground." In the latest episode of the ABA Banking Journal Podcast — sponsored by Alkami — Andrea Mitchell, a top fair lending attorney, reviews the latest trends in redlining enforcement. She reviews cases brought by the Justice Department, the importance of screening programs, planning for entering new markets, the role of peer analyses in managing redlining risk and the effects of redlining enforcement on M&A activity. Mitchell also discusses the intersection of DOJ enforcement and prudential supervision, noting that "if your regulator thinks you're doing very well, even in in terms of minority market lending, and is relying on your CRA rating, there's nothing that prevents HUD or DOJ or other agencies from scrutinizing you."

Brent Beardall thinks bankers need to be more comfortable with risk. "We're not out there taking crazy risk, but my point is don't be afraid to fail," says the president and CEO of WaFd Bank, based in tech-focused Seattle. "If you're going to fail: fail quickly, fail small. That's the two requirements I have, because if you're not failing, you're not trying hard enough." In the latest episode of the ABA Banking Journal Podcast — sponsored by Alkami — Beardall discusses technology experiments that didn't work, and those that did. He discusses the bank's tech lab subsidiary Archway Software and its combined voice- and phone-based authentication for wire transfers. Beardall discusses WaFd's commercial real estate portfolio, which he notes is majority "stabilized multifamily, which is the safest asset class that we or any bank can make." Office buildings — the most distressed CRE asset class — account for just 4% of WaFd's portfolio, Beardall says, noting that CRE is a big and diverse sector beyond the office headlines. Finally, Beardall talks about his remarkable personal story of surviving a deadly plane crash in early 2023. "You're flying on a jet airplane to go to the Rose Bowl, and all of a sudden you go from being pretty good to fighting for your life and you realize just how vulnerable you are and how precious life is because it can change in a heartbeat," he says. "People that I competed with, bankers that I would compete with, they set it all aside and said, "Let's focus on helping each other.' We have a lot more in common than we have in terms of differences, and let's give equal weight to what we have in common and work together for the collective good."

"I need people who understand technology and the business more than I need people who understand compliance," says Greg Imm, who recently retired as chief compliance officer at M&T Bank. "I can teach them compliance. I cannot teach them technology. We are paying much more attention on what is going on in technology that never existed five, six years ago." The latest episode of the ABA Banking Journal Podcast — sponsored by Alkami — features part two of a two-part conversation with Imm and David Kelly, retiring chief risk officer at Denver-based FirstBank. At ABA's Risk and Compliance Conference in Seattle, Kelly was awarded the Distinguished Service Award for Risk, and Imm was honored with the Distinguished Service Award for Compliance. In part two, Kelly and Imm discuss the role of technology in the compliance and risk disciplines, how they hire and coach talent, and their involvement with ABA and other professional development providers over their careers. This episode is presented by Alkami. Listen to part one of this conversation.

In a time of heightened regulatory risk and business challenges, "that's where the risk professionals become very important," says David Kelly, CERP, who recently retired as chief risk officer at Denver-based FirstBank. "Those relationships across business lines, because the risk will flow across those business lines, and getting stakeholders together to have those conversations." The latest episode of the ABA Banking Journal Podcast — sponsored by Alkami — features part one of a two-part conversation with Kelly and Greg Imm, the retired chief compliance officer at M&T Bank and Fifth Third Bank. At ABA's Risk and Compliance Conference in Seattle, Kelly was awarded the Distinguished Service Award for Risk, and Imm was honored with the Distinguished Service Award for Compliance. In part one, Kelly and Imm discuss their experience across different institutions — Kelly spent most of his career at FirstBank, while Imm worked at numerous large and regional banks as well as the Federal Reserve Bank of San Francisco. They also discuss the evolving role of technology in risk and compliance professionals and how soft skills contribute to risk and compliance career development. This episode is presented by Alkami.

On the latest episode of the ABA Banking Journal Podcast — sponsored by Biz2X — Anthony Sharett, president of Pathward N.A., discusses how his FDIC-insured bank works alongside depository institutions to expand offerings that enhance financial inclusion and reach the unbanked. Sharett discusses Pathward's reloadable co-branded prepaid card business — which can help a bank offer a Bank On-certified account — as well as its gift card business line. Sharett discusses how Pathward uses a design thinking approach to work with its bank clients to "co-create" products. "There are lots of banks out there that are providing valuable services to customers, providing solutions, providing products that they need, but is there a gap?" He also talks about new areas where Pathward is branching out, including commercial finance solutions like merchant services, and working capital. "As we think about financial inclusion and financial education and bringing people through that journey of creditworthiness, we are excited about the credit builder product for small and midsize businesses, which are really those entrepreneurs that are the backbone of how we just expand commerce in the United States," he says. During the conversation, Sharett also talks about his own background in bank leadership as an attorney who rose up the ranks on the risk and compliance side of banking, and he discusses how Pathward, formerly known as Metabank, developed its new brand when it sold its trademarks to newly renamed Meta Platforms. This episode is presented by Biz2X.

What's new with Small Business Administration lending this year, and how can bankers maximize the value of the SBA loan guaranty programs? On the latest episode of the ABA Banking Journal Podcast — sponsored by Biz2X — Erik Daniels of U.S. Bank, the nation's fourth-largest SBA originator by number of loans, talks about how U.S. Bank builds SBA into its overall business banking strategy. Daniels highlights the role of SBA lending in making efficient use of capital, mitigating risk, providing more tailored solutions to businesses and driving Community Reinvestment Act impact. He also talks about the value the bank gets out of making SBA loans as a portfolio lender, "which gives our customers great opportunity with rate structure, modifications, any flexibility down the road. . . . Being a portfolio owner gives us the optionality to help them in any way that we can to make their experience a good one." Daniels also discusses anticipated changes to SBA programs in 2024 and 2025, and he shares insights on the small business outlook from U.S. Bank clients and survey research. This episode is presented by Biz2X.

Checks have become so marginal that the Federal Reserve's Survey of Consumer Payment Choice relegates them to a category of "other," which, along with prepaid cards and money orders accounted for less than 9 percent of all payments in 2022. But checks aren't entirely dead, with 11.2 billion still written in the U.S. in 2021. Meanwhile, their use by criminals as a vector of fraud has shot up. Which raises the question: The paper check won't die. Is it time to kill it? This episode of the ABA Banking Journal Podcast — sponsored by Biz2X — sets out to answer that question, with the help of top bankers and experts in the payment space.

According to newly released Gallup figures, just 30 percent of American workers are engaged in their work. The rest are described as disengaged, with 17 percent actively disengaged, "which means they are literally trying to sabotage the organization," notes Neil Stevens, president and CEO of Oconee State Bank in Oconee, Georgia. "Gallup also says that if you have a 70 percent or higher engagement score, you're 23 percent more profitable than those with lower engagement scores. So engaged teams truly, in my mind, lead to healthier cultures, better customer retention." On the latest episode of the ABA Banking Journal Podcast — presented by R&T Deposit Solutions — Stevens discusses his approach to cultivating a bank where engagement scores have climbed to 89 percent, triple the national average. Stevens works to build this culture through a framework called Leading Life on Life that emphasizes loving, equipping, affirming and developing ("LEAD"ing) team members. Among other topics on the show, Stevens discusses the role of love in bank management, the importance of active listening and how an environment of healthy affirmation actually allows leaders to hold their teams to higher standards. Hear Stevens discuss bank culture and employee engagement at the ABA Annual Convention, Oct. 27-29 in New York City.

For Financial Literacy Month in April, the ABA Banking Journal Podcast — presented by R&T Deposit Solutions — features a conversation on how banks are engaging their communities with financial education. The ABA Foundation's Kelsey Havemann discusses a brand-new K-2 Teach Children to Save curriculum launching soon, and Lindsay Torrico talks about the Foundation's big goal to help five million people get on the path to financial prosperity. Access free financial education resources from the ABA Foundation.

What's the CEO-eye view on the U.S. economy, business conditions and the regulatory environment for banks? This week's episode of the ABA Banking Journal Podcast — presented by R&T Deposit Solutions — features a conversation with ABA's Peter Cook and four bank CEOs from across the country. In the conversation, they discuss local economic conditions in their markets, how the "regulatory tsunami" is affecting banks of all sizes, the commercial real estate outlook, what they're most excited for in the future of banking and more.

"These rewards are more than just Amex, Chase, Citi," says Brian Kelly, founder of the popular travel site The Points Guy. "Well over half of Americans have some form of rewards, often through their community banks — and to a lot of people, cash back rewards." This bonus episode of the ABA Banking Journal Podcast — presented by Alkami — features a conversation with Kelly and ABA President and CEO Rob Nichols from ABA's Washington Summit. In this episode, Kelly discusses his personal story of getting involved with reward travel, his opposition to efforts to cap interchange or impose routing mandates on credit cards and the value that all kinds of consumers get out of card rewards. Read more about taking action on interchange and routing on Secure American Opportunity.

The banking agencies and the Justice Department are shifting how they assess and review bank mergers and acquisitions. On the latest episode of the ABA Banking Journal Podcast — presented by Alkami — ABA SVP Hu Benton discusses what bankers need to know about potential deals and offers amid the wave of policy changes. Among other topics, Benton explores: The Justice Department's review of bank merger guidelines The FDIC's newly released policy statement on mergers. How the OCC is evaluating mergers among national banks and federal thrifts. How bank mergers fit into the Biden administration and executive agencies' broader approach to antitrust considerations. A new resource from ABA and Squire Patton Boggs to help banks assess their readiness for a transaction. Access "Bank Mergers & Acquisitions: A Self-Assessment Guide" This episode is presented by Alkami.

Forget Tom Brady: Most professional athletes don't play well into their 40s. "You play football for three to four years," says Brandon Ghee. "And then the next thing you know you're 25, 26. You're looking to pursue a career and you go from making $750,000 a year to $50,000. These guys and girls have a problem with the transition [in]how they're spending during their careers." Athletes make a lot of big financial decisions at fairly young ages. On the latest episode of the ABA Banking Journal Podcast — presented by Alkami — Ghee, a community banker and former NFL cornerback, discusses how Cogent Bank's sports and entertainment vertical comes alongside to help with this transition. In addition to traditional financial services, the bank offers specialized education on investing and financial decision-making as well as referrals to key service providers. Ghee also discusses the fast-growing wave of highly compensated athletes amid the rollout of NCAA permission for name, image and likeness marketing deals and why student-athletes and their families need support and engagement from banks. Access financial education resources from the ABA Foundation.

First Horizon Bank, a regional bank based in Memphis, Tennessee, offers some eye-catching numbers on the bank's gender balance: Women make up 62 percent of its executive team, 54 percent of its top 1,200 corporate managers and 33 percent of its board of directors. To mark International Women's Day and Women's History Month, the latest episode of the ABA Banking Journal Podcast — presented by Alkami — features three top executives from First Horizon discussing how the bank built an inclusive culture. For Beth Ardoin, chief communications officer, it's less about focusing on women per se and more focusing on "how do we build the organization around exceptional talent, no matter who you are, where you came from?" Hope Dmuchowski, First Horizon's CFO, adds that for "our top talent, whether they're female, male or diverse, we're making sure they have lots of opportunities for lots of people that see how talented they are." Ardoin, Dmuchowski and Erin Pryor, chief marketing and experience officer, also discuss the role of sponsorship, allyship and executive leadership in creating a culture that allows women to showcase their excellent work. "Great work always speaks for itself," says Pryor. "How do you take those who are doing great work and helping to lift them up and to lift the women who are doing great work in the organization and amplify them?" Resources: Access women in banking resources and training from ABA. Register for the ABA Women Lead Symposium, July 17, 2024. Listen to First Horizon's Bucket List-ening podcast.

On the latest episode of the ABA Banking Journal Podcast — presented by Alkami — ABA's Dan Brown and Sharon Whitaker discuss community bank exposures to commercial real estate and how community banks are managing shifts in the CRE sector. They also dispel imprecise narratives about the state of CRE. "There is a lot of nuance within the commercial real estate market," says Brown. There are going to be some challenges for sure. But at the same time, too, though, there's going to be a lot of resilience. A lot of these loans are very conservatively underwritten. I think a lot of banks would be in a very good position no matter what may come in the future." This episode is presented by Alkami.

If the past has any predictive power, rate-watchers may want to discount the chance of significant rate movements this election year. On the latest episode of the ABA Banking Journal Podcast, ABA VP Jeff Huther summarizes his analysis of Federal Open Market Committee actions during presidential elections, showing that in rare circumstances — well-telegraphed technical movements from a low base or during crisis moments like 2008 — the FOMC has generally refrained from taking action that could be perceived as political. Huther discusses what this means for the 2024 interest rate outlook.

"We're really focused on increasing competition and innovation in the core provider landscape," says ABA Core Platforms Committee Chair Kristiane Koontz. "We want to make sure that people know core conversions are an option, and we want to help make that easier and less risky for banks to undertake. But in many cases, a core conversion may not be the right path." On the latest episode of the ABA Banking Journal Podcast, the host catches up with Koontz at the Conference for Community Bankers to discuss the committee's recent work on core resilience and competition, as well as the committee's plans for 2024. The show also features past chair D.J. Seeterlin of Chesapeake Bank on the committee's newly released Core Provider Flexibility Assessment, a tool to help banks identify what the need to power their strategies.

Sometimes there are good reasons for friction in the banking experience: to stop fraud, to comply with laws. But sometimes the friction is a result of legacy tech — and legacy thinking. On the latest episode of the ABA Banking Journal Podcast, Anne Tangen, a bank IT expert-turned-CEO at BankFive in Fall River, Massachusetts, talks about BankFive's efforts to reduce friction in the account opening process, as well as her work to smooth the path for talented women in the community bank C-suite. Tangen also discusses her own career experience working at banks of all sizes and how BankFive is embracing its mutual identity and investing in growth. Connect with peers on these issues at the ABA Mutual Community Bank Forum and ABA Women and Allies Forum, March 17 in Washington, D.C.

The multiyear effort to change the credit scoring models required by Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac continues to move forward, and mortgage lenders, credit officers and compliance professionals need to know the latest developments. On the latest episode of the ABA Banking Journal Podcast, ABA VP Sharon Whitaker provides an update. Among other topics, Whitaker discusses: The operational challenges of moving from today's tri-merge system to merging just two credit reports. How FICO 10T and VantageScore 4.0 differ from credit scores in use today. Why rushing the transition might be counterproductive to the initiative's financial inclusion goals. The role of core platforms and other technology vendors in supporting the transition. What may happen in the Federal Housing Finance Agency makes the change but the Federal Housing Administration, Veterans Administration and others don't. Why the industry needs to see data on how the new credit scoring models would perform, and how banks can get involved in sharing feedback with FHFA. **** Learn more about the credit score transition at the American Mortgage Conference, April 15-17 in Savannah, Georgia. Contact Sharon Whitaker to join ABA's working group on the issue.

Late in 2023, Warsaw Federal — a $71 million mutual savings and loan in Cincinnati — was officially designated as a minority depository institution. The move to MDI status is part of the 130-year-old bank's pivot to serving its community more deeply while building its capital base to support growth. On the latest episode of the ABA Banking Journal Podcast, President and CEO Robie Suggs discusses the bank's strategy. Among other topics, Suggs discusses: Why and how Warsaw Federal sought and obtained MDI status, and how it helps the bank meet the needs of the Price Hill community of Cincinnati. The role of the bank in serving unbanked and underbanked households in Price Hill. Warsaw Federal's use of tier 1 mutual capital certificates. How Warsaw Federal is supported through its affiliation with First Mutual Holding Company. Her own journey as a banker and community and economic development executive. Join mutual bank peers at the ABA Mutual Community Bank Forum March 17-18 in Washington, D.C.

Last week, the ABA Banking Journal Podcast featured the CEO of Esquire Bank, a nationwide bank with a focus on law firm banking. On the second part of this two-part series, the podcast welcomes Kyall Mai, chief innovation officer, to discuss how the bank reaches this niche market. With the goal of getting lawyers ("who are often very difficult to convince," he notes) to switch banks, Mai emphasizes the need for content marketing, data and top-shelf technology. Mai discusses Esquire Bank's content marketing site, LawyerIQ, which has a unique value proposition of educating attorneys on the business side of running a law firm successfully. He explores how LawyerIQ's AI-driven tailored content helps the bank generate leads in a niche market. He also talks about the bank's use of Salesforce platforms and other technology services to compete for business.

Esquire Bank has found a strategy that turns the typical ratio of business client loans to deposits on its head. Through its nationwide vertical of services for law firms, Esquire Bank brings in roughly $1.80 in core deposits for every dollar lent. On the first ABA Banking Journal Podcast episode of 2024, Andrew Sagliocca — president, CEO and vice chairman of Long Island-based Esquire Bank — discusses the bank's unique niche in serving the litigation sector, including the complex financing its clients require, and how the bank developed its strategy to meet these firms' needs. Sagliocca also discusses the bank's merchant services solutions and how they fit into the bank's strategy.

On the final ABA Banking Journal Podcast episode of 2023 — sponsored by R&T Deposit Solutions — John Vivian of Patomak Global Partners and ABA EVP Hugh Carney discuss the OCC's latest Semiannual Risk Perspective, released earlier in December. Both past veterans of the OCC, Vivian and Carney explore the agency's findings — including the way credit risk and leapfrogged liquidity risk over the course of the year and the OCC's concerns on artificial intelligence, among other topics — and what they portend for bank supervision in 2024.

From the Basel III endgame to Regulation II to new Community Reinvestment Act and Section 1071, 2023 has delivered a regulatory onslaught for the industry. How are bankers navigating the waves of overlapping changes? On this episode, Gary Shook, chair of ABA's Government Relations Council, reflects on the council's recent meeting and offers perspectives on how banks can navigate the policy environment. Shook also highlights areas where ABA is looking to press gains on its positive agenda, including the SAFER Banking Act, the ACRE Act and financial inclusion. And as president and CEO of Community Bankers' Bank in Virginia, Shook discusses the role of bankers' banks in today's landscape, including helping the industry transition to new payment platforms like FedNow.

For high-net-worth clients, generational transitions can be fraught moments — implicating business ownership sales, control transfers, tax situations, philanthropic decisions and of course family dynamics. On the ABA Banking Journal Podcast — sponsored by R&T Deposit Solutions — Todd Brockwell, president of 1900 Wealth, offers strategies for bankers and wealth managers to help their clients navigate these transitions. A veteran of family offices in central Texas, Brockwell discusses how bankers and wealth managers can effectively approach generational dynamics and difficult conversations. He also emphasizes the importance of education, especially for young people in these families. Brockwell offers practical examples of how wealth managers can add value in family transitions. He also discusses the business model of 1900 Wealth and how it interacts with its "old school" parent, Jefferson Bank, a community bank in San Antonio. Register for the ABA Wealth Management and Trust Conference, Feb. 21-23 in New Orleans.

For new couples, does the decision of how to organize their finances — separate accounts, a joint account or a blend of the two — matter? On the ABA Banking Journal Podcast — sponsored by R&T Deposit Solutions — Indiana University marketing professor Jenny Olson discusses new research that provides an answer. Olson and her colleagues randomly assigned new couples to one of three conditions for a two-year period: using only separate accounts, using a joint account only or to a third group that received no instructions about the kind of accounts to use. Couples in the no-instruction group and the separate account group saw declines in relationship quality during the experiment, couples with joint accounts were "buffered" against the declines otherwise expected, she says. "Because we randomly assigned couples, we can take better steps toward understanding causality," Olson says. "Our results really do suggest that having a joint bank account improves relationship quality." While every couple's financial needs are unique and separate accounts may be what's needed in many situations, Olson discusses implications of the research for how bankers and wealth managers approach financial planning conversations with clients. Read the paper by Olson et al. in the Journal of Consumer Research.

Family-owned businesses — especially those crossing the mark of $10 million in annual revenue — often have unique banking needs. They have the freedom to make long-term investments, but they also face challenges associated with funding for growth, complex family dynamics and the need to manage liquidity events for family members, says Mikel Williamson, the newly appointed president and CEO of First Bank in the St. Louis area. On the ABA Banking Journal Podcast — sponsored by R&T Deposit Solutions — Williamson discusses how $6.7 billion-asset First Bank — itself a family-owned enterprise — supports this sector through its Center for Family-Owned Businesses and wealth planning options. He also discusses the bank's investment in core transformation and open digital banking architecture and his background in Texas banking before joining First Bank earlier this year.

"When we're able to take banking to them, at a place where they already have trust with their employer, that's a bridge," says Jennifer Huffman of Atlantic Union Bank's workplace banking product. "From there we're able to grow that relationship." In the latest episode of the ABA Banking Journal Podcast — sponsored by R&T Deposit Solutions — Huffman provides an overview of Atlantic Union's Solutions Banking product, which brings consumer accounts into more than 2,300 small and midsize business clients of the bank. She discusses how it fits into Atlantic Union's organic growth strategy, how the program developed and how it furthers the bank's financial inclusion and financial financial wellness goals. Huffman also discusses her career journey at Atlantic Union Bank, describes her role in the bank's Women's Inclusion Network and shares her tips for leadership and career development as one of ABA's Emerging Leader Award winners for 2023.

"Banks have long supported consumers accessing their own data, but believe it should be done in a safe and sound way that provides them with control," says ABA VP Ryan Miller. With respect to Section 1033 of the Dodd-Frank Act, the CFPB "has attempted to put that into place here." In the latest episode of the ABA Banking Journal Podcast — sponsored by Intrafi — Miller provides an overview of the long-awaited Section 1033 proposed rule. In this episode, Fink also talks about: How the bureau's proposed framework recognizes industry-led efforts like FDX to facilitate safe data-sharing. The end of screen-scraping as envisioned in the proposal. Challenges in the proposal on liability issues and privacy. The need for a level playing field in terms of how Section 1033 supervision is applied across banks, nonbank fintech providers and aggregators. The compliance timelines envisioned for banks of different sizes and the types of accounts covered. How core providers will be positioned to help banks comply. To join ABA's comment letter working group, contact Ryan Miller.

"Capital investment has surprised a great bit of our economy and the business community," says TD Bank EVP Bill Fink. "As rates go up, how could we be having stronger capital investment?" In the latest episode of the ABA Banking Journal Podcast — the third in a series of conversations on the business outlook, sponsored by Intrafi — Fink discusses how the fiscal stimulus of the CHIPS and Science Act and the Inflation Reduction Act, as well as state economic development packages for incentivized facilities in the high-tech, semiconductor and green tech sectors, are offsetting the increase in rates. In this episode, Fink also talks about: Where businesses are looking for growth in an era of rates being "higher for longer." The durability and strength of warehousing and manufacturing facilities in commercial real estate. Continued opportunities for add-on acquisitions amid a constrained M&A market.

"Often, economic change occurs at this level of the economy," says Umpqua Bank EVP Richard Cabrera about the middle market of the commercial sector. "While economic concerns still linger, there's tremendous optimism." The latest episode of the ABA Banking Journal Podcast — sponsored by Intrafi — continues a series of conversations on the business outlook, following last week's episode on the perspectives of CFOs at large corporates and the upper end of the middle market. In this episode, Cabrera discusses: What Umpqua Bank's latest Business Barometer survey says about optimism and growth plans among small businesses and the middle market, which represents 45 million jobs and one-third of U.S. GDP. How banks can work effectively with small and middle market clients, including advising on cybersecurity. Why small and middle market businesses in the western U.S. are more optimistic than their counterparts in other regions. The growing trend of onshoring and nearshoring in middle market supply chains — and what that means for their commercial real estate needs. The continued strength of industrial and warehouse real estate.