AA Recovery Interviews with Howard L.

Ever meet someone in an AA meeting for the first time whom you can just tell is working a good Program? My guest on today’s show, Susan D., is that kind of person. When she first attended a Tuesday meeting that I’ve been going to for the past 15 years, she showed up early with the countenance and confidence of someone who has attended many meetings. She comfortably introduced herself and was soon chatting among our members who show up early for fellowship before the meeting. When the originally scheduled leader couldn’t make it, the chair asked Susan to lead the meeting. She instantly said “yes” and proceeded to lead a fine discussion, infusing her share with the experience of 19 years sober and plenty of references to the Big Book. In the following weeks and months, Susan became a regular attendee and participant at that meeting, readily accepting the service commitment of talking with newcomers and others looking for knowledgeable guidance in the Program. Susan’s story will strike a familiar refrain for many baby boomers who became alcoholics and drug addicts. Dysfunctional home life with alcoholism rife through the family, Susan sought escape through alcohol and drugs, and a wild lifestyle common to the late 60’s and 70’s. Though a binge-drinker, her blackouts shielded her from cognitive awareness of the damage she was doing to her own life. Susan somehow managed to make it to AA in 1985, and even stayed sober for several years, but her unwillingness to embrace the Program had her skating around the periphery where she slipped time-and-again. By 2003, she’d finally hit the wall of hopeless abandon, with no spiritual armor to soften the impact. But it was the bottom that Susan had to hit in order to survive and later thrive. As you follow Susan’s difficult journey from active alcoholic to recovered alcoholic, you’re bound to hear many similarities to your own story, as well as some differences along the way. But once you’ve heard her entire story, I think you’ll land solidly on similarities of gratitude and humility from which we can all thrive as sober alcoholics. So please enjoy the next hour of AA Recovery Interviews with my friend and AA sister, Susan D. Check out Howard’s Big Book Podcast, the complete unabridged audio version of the First and Second Editions of Alcoholics Anonymous. The Big Book Podcast is an engaging cover-to-cover, word-for-word reading of all 11 chapters and Personal Stories, many of which were left out of the Third and Fourth Editions. Subscribe for free on Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts. Or listen on https://bigbookpodcast.com [Disclaimer: In strict adherence to A.A.’s traditions, my anonymous guests and I speak for ourselves only, not for Alcoholics Anonymous at large. We share only our personal experiences with A.A. recovery. We acknowledge that AA’s sole concern is the recovery and continued sobriety of those alcoholics who turn to the Fellowship for help. As members of AA, our primary purpose is to stay sober and to help other alcoholics achieve sobriety. – Howard L.]

As a medical doctor who secretly battled his own addiction to alcohol and drugs for many years, Jim's alcoholism literally affected the lives and well-being of others. Jim grew up with an abusive father whose military career relocated the family many times during Jim’s childhood and adolescence. He faced additional suffering during countless hospitalizations for medical conditions related to hemophilia, a rare bleeding disorder in which the blood does not clot properly. Turning to booze and drugs during his high school and college years, Jim’s escalating alcoholism accompanied his medical degree, internship, and residency into his position as a OB/GYN at a major hospital. Turns out that the hospital culture, with its hard-working and hard-drinking doctors and nurses, further fueled Jim’s lifestyle with alcohol and cocaine. The effects of constant use soon threw Jim’s personal life into turmoil, replete with three failed marriages and ever-deepening despair. Professionally, his drug and alcohol- impaired medical practice became a severe threat to the safety of his patients. By the time Jim was intervened upon by his hospital and placed in rehab, he had had enough and was desperate to recover. Thankfully, he found a strong AA community that offered him the ego-deflation and no-nonsense support he needed to get sober. As he grew in that community, he built a humble new life in which he could be of real service to others, especially those in the medical profession who find it difficult to admit defeat by the disease. Jim’s story offers a rare perspective we don’t hear often in ordinary AA meetings, especially since many physicians attend closed meetings amongst their own. But his involvement and service as an active participant in everyday AA is proof positive of a man whose AA program is on solid ground. I’m grateful Jim’s here with me on AA Recovery Interviews and believe you’ll find this podcast to be both enlightening and reassuring. So please relish the next hour with my friend and AA brother, Jim G. Check out Howard’s Big Book Podcast, the complete unabridged audio version of the First and Second Editions of Alcoholics Anonymous. The Big Book Podcast is an engaging cover-to-cover, word-for-word reading of all 11 chapters and Personal Stories, many of which were left out of the Third and Fourth Editions. Subscribe for free on Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts. Or listen on https://bigbookpodcast.com [Disclaimer: In strict adherence to A.A.’s traditions, my anonymous guests and I speak for ourselves only, not for Alcoholics Anonymous at large. We share only our personal experiences with A.A. recovery. We acknowledge that AA’s sole concern is the recovery and continued sobriety of those alcoholics who turn to the Fellowship for help. As members of AA, our primary purpose is to stay sober and to help other alcoholics achieve sobriety. – Howard L.]

Jackie's story illustrates one of the most cunning aspects of alcoholism--the erroneous belief that going to AA meetings without necessarily doing the work is enough to stay sober. In Jackie’s case, she had survived her dysfunctional family and alcohol-infused failures at higher education, only to emerge as a full-blown binge drinker. As escalating alcoholism continued to addle her decisions, she escaped her first toxic marriage with two young children only to find herself drinking more than ever. Her second marriage produced three children and one still born baby. The early-onset deterioration of that marriage caused by alcoholism persisted for 17 years until Jackie had finally had enough. She found AA and somehow stayed sober 8 years, even though her ever-diminishing involvement in the Program continually pulled her farther away from it. Her mistaken belief that she could find and maintain AA-type sobriety in church ultimately resulted in her getting drunk. It took her until 2015 to get back to AA. Beaten by the disease into a state of reasonableness, Jackie finally embraced the Program and its principals wholeheartedly. She remains sober to this day. Jackie’s story will not be unfamiliar to AA’s who thought they could find an easier, softer way to work the Program, only to slip in the end. I’m grateful she made it back to AA and has continued to do all of the simple, but not easy, things necessary to assure daily sobriety and a happy life in the center of the Program. I think you’ll find her story to be most engaging and offer you 60 minutes of listening pleasure on today’s AA Recovery Interviews podcast with my friend and AA sister, Jackie B. Check out Howard’s Big Book Podcast, the complete unabridged audio version of the First and Second Editions of Alcoholics Anonymous. The Big Book Podcast is an engaging cover-to-cover, word-for-word reading of all 11 chapters and Personal Stories, many of which were left out of the Third and Fourth Editions. Subscribe for free on Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts. Or listen on https://bigbookpodcast.com [Disclaimer: In strict adherence to A.A.’s traditions, my anonymous guests and I speak for ourselves only, not for Alcoholics Anonymous at large. We share only our personal experiences with A.A. recovery. We acknowledge that AA’s sole concern is the recovery and continued sobriety of those alcoholics who turn to the Fellowship for help. As members of AA, our primary purpose is to stay sober and to help other alcoholics achieve sobriety. – Howard L.]

Jim's life as an alcoholic began with an addiction to morphine when he was 14. Administered four times a day while he was hospitalized for a month after a serious surgery, Jim found that morphine did more than kill the pain. It helped him escape the mental tribulations he felt from childhood on. But morphine was difficult to get and he soon found that increasing amounts of alcohol was would have largely the same results. So, he didn’t stop drinking or using drugs until he was 46. Jim’s life prior to sobriety was the familiar odyssey of drinking and drug use, to which so many alcoholics in AA can relate. But the biggest challenges and threats to his sobriety occurred after he had joined AA. At 13 months sober, his wife of 17 years was found dead from a drug overdose suicide. At nearly 4 years sober, a drunk driver caused a near fatal motorcycle accident for Jim that landed him in the hospital for 3½ months of multiple surgeries for shattered bones and brain injury. Released to a life of chronic pain, he also lost his beloved career as a symphonic musician. Later on in his sobriety, Jim lost his best friend to suicide. More recently, as the only child, Jim has been caring for his 91 year old mother who’s been very sick. Handling the tragedies that have befallen him during sobriety, as well as the gifts that have come from it, Jim has stayed firmly planted in the action part of his AA Program. Sponsoring other men and ceaseless service have never failed to improve the quality of his sobriety no matter what he faces in life. Jim’s story is both courageous and captivating. It provides a roadmap for navigating troubled times and an inspiring optimism for living a happy life in midst of Alcoholics Anonymous. So please enjoy this episode of AA Recovery Interviews with my fine friend and AA brother, Jim D. Check out Howard’s Big Book Podcast, the complete unabridged audio version of the First and Second Editions of Alcoholics Anonymous. The Big Book Podcast is an engaging cover-to-cover, word-for-word reading of all 11 chapters and Personal Stories, many of which were left out of the Third and Fourth Editions. Subscribe for free on Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts. Or listen on https://bigbookpodcast.com [Disclaimer: In strict adherence to A.A.’s traditions, my anonymous guests and I speak for ourselves only, not for Alcoholics Anonymous at large. We share only our personal experiences with A.A. recovery. We acknowledge that AA’s sole concern is the recovery and continued sobriety of those alcoholics who turn to the Fellowship for help. As members of AA, our primary purpose is to stay sober and to help other alcoholics achieve sobriety. – Howard L.]

Victoria started drinking early to deal with the strife of abuse she suffered as a child and the trauma she experienced at 15 witnessing the aftermath of a bloody massacre in the Philippines. Living with the shock and horror were more than enough propel her alcohol-dominated life for the next 20 years. Then she found AA. Victoria is the first guest on AA Recovery Interviews whose spouse, Wes H., shared his story on an earlier podcast. They got sober together within days of each other over 30 years ago. Hearing both their stories provides unique context to their journeys before and after getting sober. Victoria’s story stands very much on its own. Raised in a military home by a mother with bi-polar disorder and a physically abusive father, her life as the oldest of 3 children was further complicated by frequent moves around world. The alcohol she found early helped ease the madness and numb the traumatic events she experienced along the way. Access to alcohol by hook or crook on military bases fueled self-destructive behavior that followed her into adulthood. By the time she found AA sobriety in 1992, alcoholism had taken a huge toll on her body, exacerbating medical conditions that required 31 surgeries over the years. Through it all, Victoria’s unceasing involvement in AA, and working with others, helped her survive death’s numerous importunities. One of her last surgeries during the past year was literally do or die. She credits Wes and her AA family for pulling her through with prayers and the collective healing energy of love. My interview with Victoria on today’s AA Recovery Interviews podcast runs a little longer than others, but flies by as her story unfolds. It’s a story that helps further define the phrase “Experience, strength, and hope.” So grab a cuppa and become engrossed for the next hour and ten minutes in the story of my friend and AA sister, Victoria H. Check out Howard’s Big Book Podcast, the complete unabridged audio version of the First and Second Editions of Alcoholics Anonymous. The Big Book Podcast is an engaging cover-to-cover, word-for-word reading of all 11 chapters and Personal Stories, many of which were left out of the Third and Fourth Editions. Subscribe for free on Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts. Or listen on https://bigbookpodcast.com [Disclaimer: In strict adherence to A.A.’s traditions, my anonymous guests and I speak for ourselves only, not for Alcoholics Anonymous at large. We share only our personal experiences with A.A. recovery. We acknowledge that AA’s sole concern is the recovery and continued sobriety of those alcoholics who turn to the Fellowship for help. As members of AA, our primary purpose is to stay sober and to help other alcoholics achieve sobriety. – Howard L.]

Larry got sober at age 65, finally claiming his chair in AA after drinking his entire adult life. As a life-long bachelor, he was also a loner. For decades, his daily routine consisted of working long hours, then putting in a shift at the bar, literally drinking until closing time several days a week. Whatever little social life Larry had was confined to occasional barroom acquaintances. Drinking took its toll over the years as Larry lost jobs for poor performance which he attributes to the burgeoning alcoholism he was unaware of at the time. Larry sought professional help for many years through psycho-therapy. But in those sessions, his alcoholism was somehow obfuscated by other problems, such as anger and resentment, that needed to be dealt with first. Fortunately, one of his therapists helped Larry realize that alcohol was ruining his life, and that he should attend AA. The rest, as they say, is history, replete with the same fear, doubt, indignation, uncertainty, and apprehension that many AA newcomers face. Though he experienced somewhat of a slow start, Larry attended meetings and didn’t drink in-between. Eventually, he got a sponsor and worked the steps in earnest, while his new-found fellowship relieved his isolation. Notably and estimably, Larry became immersed in service work through his participation in correctional facilities committees, bringing desperately-needed AA into county jails and state prisons. At 75, Larry’s involvement in AA is both admirable and dependable. It models the power of AA recovery that’s available to everyone, even those who’ve spent most of their adult lives in the disease. Proving it’s never to late to pursue and achieve sobriety in AA, Larry’s story is one everybody should hear, especially those who’ve waited too many years to get sober. So, for the next hour, please enjoy my intriguing discussion with my fine friend and AA brother, Larry L. Check out Howard’s Big Book Podcast, the complete unabridged audio version of the First and Second Editions of Alcoholics Anonymous. The Big Book Podcast is an engaging cover-to-cover, word-for-word reading of all 11 chapters and Personal Stories, many of which were left out of the Third and Fourth Editions. Subscribe for free on Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts. Or listen on https://bigbookpodcast.com [Disclaimer: In strict adherence to A.A.’s traditions, my anonymous guests and I speak for ourselves only, not for Alcoholics Anonymous at large. We share only our personal experiences with A.A. recovery. We acknowledge that AA’s sole concern is the recovery and continued sobriety of those alcoholics who turn to the Fellowship for help. As members of AA, our primary purpose is to stay sober and to help other alcoholics achieve sobriety. – Howard L.]

Max grew up in a horribly alcoholic home with a mother who later died of cirrhosis and organ failure from drinking. To deal with the madness, Max began drinking at 13 to escape the feelings wrought by the dysfunction of her alcoholic family. Her own alcohol use escalated through high school and college well into her twenties. She admits that, at the time, she knew intellectually that drinking was connected with something terrible, but she kept on. Seeking relief from her alcoholism and co-occurring clinical depression, she was prescribed Zanex which opened the realm of drug addiction on top of everything else. By the time she hit the doors of AA nearly 22 years ago, Max was thoroughly licked, as old-timers like to say. She participated in the Program for the first eight years, while harboring her use and secret abuse of benzodiazepines. While she frantically tried to rationalize, then justify, her use of benzo’s while in AA, the truth finally won out. She came clean to her sponsor and her groups, re-setting her sobriety date in 2008. From that point on, Max’s Program took on new meaning and importance. She connected as never before to the spiritual and service elements of AA. She works an active Program from the inside of AA, sponsoring women with whom she has deep and meaningful relationships. With all the interviews I’ve done on this podcast, I’m continually impressed with the quality of sobriety and depth of commitment to the Program that my guests demonstrate. Max’s story is an ideal example of a woman’s redemption from isolation, self-loathing and spiritual emptiness to a life filled with fellowship and joy. So, take a few deep breaths, settle back, and relish this episode of AA Recovery Interviews with my friend and AA sister, Max A. Check out Howard’s Big Book Podcast, the complete unabridged audio version of the First and Second Editions of Alcoholics Anonymous. The Big Book Podcast is an engaging cover-to-cover, word-for-word reading of all 11 chapters and Personal Stories, many of which were left out of the Third and Fourth Editions. Subscribe for free on Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts. Or listen on https://bigbookpodcast.com [Disclaimer: In strict adherence to A.A.’s traditions, my anonymous guests and I speak for ourselves only, not for Alcoholics Anonymous at large. We share only our personal experiences with A.A. recovery. We acknowledge that AA’s sole concern is the recovery and continued sobriety of those alcoholics who turn to the Fellowship for help. As members of AA, our primary purpose is to stay sober and to help other alcoholics achieve sobriety. – Howard L.]

It was 1996 when Brent first attempted to get sober. But like so many others, it took him several attempts to fully embrace AA and do the work necessary to achieve solid and contented sobriety. Those earlier attempts at sobriety included significant stints in AA over the years, during which time he went to meetings and actually got to know members of the fellowship. But his half-hearted efforts, and a belief that he could still smoke pot, thwarted his efforts at sustained or meaningful sobriety. He slipped time and time again. Though his marriage and job remained largely intact through the years, his slow descent into hopelessness and despair were marked indicators that he indeed needed help. It took two interventions, three treatment centers, multiple forays in AA, and a threatened divorce before Brent’s desire to stay sober finally surfaced from within. It was at that point that he experienced the spiritual impetus to get sober for good and all. And that meant no more marijuana, prescription drugs, or alcohol. In the three years of Brent’s current sobriety, he has worked the Program as suggested while staying in the middle of the herd. He goes to daily meetings, studies the Big Book, works the 12 Steps with his sponsor and sponsees, prays, and does service work for his AA groups. And, unlike earlier periods of faint sobriety, he ignores marijuana’s beguilement as a harmless threat to his sobriety. It’s an approach that has worked successfully for many people with whom Brent surrounds himself. I found significant similarities in Brent’s story with my own, especially those pertaining to marijuana’s persistent, baffling and insidious allure. You may find such similarities as well. So clear your schedule for the next hour of AA Recovery Interviews with my friend and AA Brother, Brent F. Check out Howard’s Big Book Podcast, the complete unabridged audio version of the First and Second Editions of Alcoholics Anonymous. The Big Book Podcast is an engaging cover-to-cover, word-for-word reading of all 11 chapters and Personal Stories, many of which were left out of the Third and Fourth Editions. Subscribe for free on Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts. Or listen on https://bigbookpodcast.com [Disclaimer: In strict adherence to A.A.’s traditions, my anonymous guests and I speak for ourselves only, not for Alcoholics Anonymous at large. We share only our personal experiences with A.A. recovery. We acknowledge that AA’s sole concern is the recovery and continued sobriety of those alcoholics who turn to the Fellowship for help. As members of AA, our primary purpose is to stay sober and to help other alcoholics achieve sobriety. – Howard L.]

Marijuana was Vicki’s primary addiction along with alcoholism. Like a lot of us, she smoked pot much more frequently than she drank, but ended up in AA just the same. The hauntings of a painful childhood in a dysfunctional family, fractured by her parents’ divorce when she was young, created self-loathing, shame, and a sense of not belonging. Fortunately, she found marijuana at 13. That, plus whatever alcohol she was able to get at the time, provided Vicki with that longed-for relief and comfort that was missing in her life. She was soon getting high every day, yet even when she added booze to the mix, her ability to function under the influence remained sharp. She was able to stay employed, eventually becoming a mother of two in her mid-thirties. But, her desire to get high 24/7 soon prevailed over her ability to function as a responsible parent. She finally hit the tipping point and found herself in a 12-Step program for her marijuana addiction. While there, she recognized the alcoholism that was also ruining her life, and made her way into Alcoholics Anonymous. In AA, she found a sponsor, worked the steps, went to meetings, and helped others. She was able to address both of her addictions with a solid program of recovery. For those listeners who have also struggled with marijuana addiction, Vicki’s story should hit some responsive chords. Especially salient are her experiences in AA during her early involvement with another 12-Step program and the difficulties of trying to justify continuing to drink in the midst of quitting marijuana. And vice versa. The rest of Vicki’s story is most engaging and applicable to anyone seeking help from multiple 12-Step Programs. So please enjoy the next hour of AA Recovery Interviews with my friend and AA sister, Vicki A. [This is an encore of Episode 60 originally released January 12, 2022.] If you’ve enjoyed my AA Recovery Interviews series, have a listen to “Alcoholics Anonymous: The Story of How More Than One Hundred Men Have Recovered From Alcoholism”. This is the word-for-word, cover-to-cover reading of the First Edition of the Big Book, published in 1939. It’s a comfortable, meaningful, and engaging way to listen to the Big Book anytime, anyplace. Have a free listen at Audible, Apple Books, or Amazon. I also invite you to check out my latest audio book, Lost Stories of the Big Book, 30 Original Stories Missing from the 3rd and 4th Editions of Alcoholics Anonymous. It’s an engaging audiobook I narrated to bring these stories to life for AA members who’ve never seen them. These timeless testimonials were originally cut to make room for newer stories in the 3rd and 4th Editions. But their vitally important messages of hope are as meaningful today as when they were first published. Many listeners will hear these stories for the first time. Lost Stories of the Big Book is available on Audible, Amazon, and Apple Books. It’s also available as a Kindle book and in Paperback from Amazon if you’d like to read along with the audio. [Disclaimer: AA Recovery Interviews podcast strictly adheres to AA’s 12 Traditions and all General Service Office guidelines for safe-guarding anonymity on-line. I pay all podcast production costs. AA Recovery Interviews and my guests do not speak for or represent AA at-large. This podcast is simply my way of giving back to AA that which has been so freely given to me. – Howard L.]

Raised in a middle-class family, with its share of alcoholism among its descendants, Jeff’s drinking took off in his late teens and early 20’s, in a self-made world of isolation from others. His sense of purposelessness and lack of direction fed feelings of low self-esteem. He found himself drinking alone and more than ever. His alcoholism soon teamed up with work addiction in a field that has little respect for such addictions, and would ultimately drain every hour he was willing to work. As things got worse, Jeff’s first marriage was falling apart. A final ultimatum from his wife and advice from a psychotherapist, convinced him of the severity of his alcoholism. He finally stopped drinking to try and save his marriage and went to AA. Though the marriage ultimately collapsed, Jeff continued with AA’s suggested program of action and did what was recommended to build a successful life of recovery. He became a man of service to the AA community and eventually married a sober woman he met in the Fellowship. He has enjoyed a long-term marriage, along with its many gifts, including the opportunity to help raise his now teenaged grandson. I see Jeff in AA meetings all the time. He is a regular meeting-maker and has prioritized his sobriety above all. As a result, he continues to model the success of a good man in active sobriety. As you listen to Jeff’s story, you’ll find the details not dissimilar to others told in this podcast series. But then, a strong, well-worked Program does include many of the same essential elements, that is, the basics of getting and staying sober that we learn from day one. As you listen to this episode of AA Recovery Interviews, I believe you’ll be greatly inspired by Jeff’s words and come away with yet more evidence that the Program really does work, if we work it. So lend us your ears for the next hour and please enjoy my fine old friend and AA brother, Jeff A. Check out Howard’s Big Book Podcast, the complete unabridged audio version of the First and Second Editions of Alcoholics Anonymous. The Big Book Podcast is an engaging cover-to-cover, word-for-word reading of all 11 chapters and Personal Stories, many of which were left out of the Third and Fourth Editions. Subscribe for free on Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts. Or listen on https://bigbookpodcast.com [Disclaimer: In strict adherence to A.A.’s traditions, my anonymous guests and I speak for ourselves only, not for Alcoholics Anonymous at large. We share only our personal experiences with A.A. recovery. We acknowledge that AA’s sole concern is the recovery and continued sobriety of those alcoholics who turn to the Fellowship for help. As members of AA, our primary purpose is to stay sober and to help other alcoholics achieve sobriety. – Howard L.]

Paula squeezed an amazing amount of alcoholic destruction into the years between her first drink at 14 and the day she ultimately got sober at 17. Some 42 years later, she recounts the story of her dysfunctional family with a violent father, alcoholic mother, and siblings, all of whom struggled with alcoholism and drug addiction. Her own nasty behavior surfaced early as she became the class bully and was always in trouble. Of course, she was drinking all the time. At 14, she was up in front of the juvenile court who sentenced her to AA meetings, none of which had any effect upon her. Though her mother got sober in AA, and frequently had fellowship friends over to attempt multiple interventions on Paula, her drinking and drug use escalated. So did the consequences. She was in and out of countless juvenile detention centers and group homes. After she tried to kill her mother, her custody was finally turned over to the state. She was facing serious adult prison time as she approached her 18th birthday. Fortunately, the concentrated misery she had crammed into 3 years culminated into a moment of clarity and she finally got sober in AA in 1979. As similar as Paula’s story is to others in the AA Recovery Interviews podcast series, it still contains elements that few people ever survive, much less speak about in an AA meeting. As such, much of her service work, in addition to sponsoring many women over the years, includes speaking at AA conferences and other gatherings. She has also modeled incredible bravery and courage to other AA women by blowing the whistle on inappropriate, predatory, and misogynistic behavior from men to other women at some AA meetings she attended. Though it was a bone of contention for some members, her work still centers on Illuminating this somewhat rare, but real, dark side of the Program. It became her personal mission to help keep AA a safe and secure place for women to gather and recover. As you tune into Paula’s story, I think you’ll find much to relate to. It’s a stark, yet reassuring, tale of the continuing power of the program to change people’s lives. Though she’s been sober many years, her story resonates both fresh and vital in the continuing narrative of Alcoholics Anonymous. So, I invite you to become enraptured in the next hour or so with my friend and AA sister, Paula P. Check out Howard’s Big Book Podcast, the complete unabridged audio version of the First and Second Editions of Alcoholics Anonymous. The Big Book Podcast is an engaging cover-to-cover, word-for-word reading of all 11 chapters and Personal Stories, many of which were left out of the Third and Fourth Editions. Subscribe for free on Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts. Or listen on https://bigbookpodcast.com [Disclaimer: In strict adherence to A.A.’s traditions, my anonymous guests and I speak for ourselves only, not for Alcoholics Anonymous at large. We share only our personal experiences with A.A. recovery. We acknowledge that AA’s sole concern is the recovery and continued sobriety of those alcoholics who turn to the Fellowship for help. As members of AA, our primary purpose is to stay sober and to help other alcoholics achieve sobriety. – Howard L.]

John started using alcohol and drugs when he was just 13. He drank alcoholically from the start, but his constant nemesis was marijuana, amphetamines, LSD, prescription opioids, and ultimately heroin. His parents, who divorced when he was five, desperately tried to help him. Nothing seemed to work. Every treatment failure and non-successful attempt to get John sober, including half-hearted stints in AA, only validated the label “unlucky” his mother had pinned on him at an earlier age. It seems that John was the one always getting caught using or drinking while everyone else was getting away with it. Even the realization that he was using in situations where he knew he’d get caught did little to abate the tumultuous whirlwind his life had become. By 19, he was living on the streets of L.A., as a daily heroin user. Traumatized by the bleak environment, John was sick and malnourished, floundering around death’s door with seemingly no way out. Though his well-meaning, albeit enabling, parents did what they could, none of the turning points John experienced were effective until in his mid-20’s, when he finally came all the way in and sat all the way down in AA. Getting a sponsor and working the steps in earnest for the first time pulled him from the mire of self-destruction a little over 4 years ago. After much work, John now resides in the middle of the Program, practicing a true spiritual connection to his higher power and the fellowship. He sponsors many men and stays centered in the Big Book. He’s also careful in the way he shares his experience with drugs while he’s in an AA meeting, highly respecting AA’s singleness of purpose. He has re-established a close connection with his family, based upon the mutual understanding and love that we in the Program cherish. As you listen to John’s story on today’s AA Recovery Interviews podcast, you’ll hear the kind of humility that only a life like his could encapsulate. I’m grateful he survived to be of service to God and his fellows. I’m thankful to share with you the love I have had for him since he was a baby. So, for the next 72 minutes, please enjoy my 57th interview in this podcast series with my friend and AA brother, John F. Check out Howard’s Big Book Podcast, the complete unabridged audio version of the First and Second Editions of Alcoholics Anonymous. The Big Book Podcast is an engaging cover-to-cover, word-for-word reading of all 11 chapters and Personal Stories, many of which were left out of the Third and Fourth Editions. Subscribe for free on Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts. Or listen on https://bigbookpodcast.com [Disclaimer: In strict adherence to A.A.’s traditions, my anonymous guests and I speak for ourselves only, not for Alcoholics Anonymous at large. We share only our personal experiences with A.A. recovery. We acknowledge that AA’s sole concern is the recovery and continued sobriety of those alcoholics who turn to the Fellowship for help. As members of AA, our primary purpose is to stay sober and to help other alcoholics achieve sobriety. – Howard L.]

Wes’ love of writing songs as a kid grew into a hectic, alcohol-infused career in the music business. Whether it was writing, performing, or producing, daily drinking was just part of the gig. For a while, alcohol was unobtrusive and often served his creative endeavors. However, by the time alcohol turned on him, its debilitating effects on his body, psyche, and spirit had pushed him to the brink. Short periods of abstinence, but without recovery (“so-dry-ety” Wes calls it), became miserable intervals in his alcohol addiction. With all hope seemingly lost, Wes found himself staring down the barrel of a cocked Derringer looking for a way out. But a moment of clarity moved his finger off the trigger and finally gave him the desperate desire to get help. With the aid of his wife and the man who later become his sponsor, he found AA and sincerely embraced its new way of life. Wes’ story of recovery will resonate deeply with listeners, as will his inspiring way of working the Program. His deep dive into a sponsor-driven and spiritually-based approach for working all 12 steps on a daily basis, drew him to the very center of the Program. From there, he has imparted the collective wisdom of AA to the men he sponsors and other AA members he helps. For anyone who is new to sobriety or is struggling to stay sober, Wes’ hard-earned experience provides an extraordinary blueprint for working the Program with maximum results. I think you’ll find Wes’ story to be both captivating and enlightening. It’s as easy to listen to as a well-written song and as memorable as a melody from a humble heart. I first met Wes on a California Zoom meeting in early 2020. Sober for 30 years, he is one of those members of the fellowship whom I feel like I’ve known forever. Perhaps it’s because of our similarities growing up in physically and verbally abusive families. Or maybe it’s the language of the heart we share on the road of happy destiny. Whatever it is, it’s a fascinating tale of sobriety with which I identify. So, I invite you to relax for the next hour or so and enjoy this episode of AA Recovery Interviews with my friend and AA brother, Wes H. Check out Howard’s Big Book Podcast, the complete unabridged audio version of the First and Second Editions of Alcoholics Anonymous. The Big Book Podcast is an engaging cover-to-cover, word-for-word reading of all 11 chapters and Personal Stories, many of which were left out of the Third and Fourth Editions. Subscribe for free on Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts. Or listen on https://bigbookpodcast.com [Disclaimer: In strict adherence to A.A.’s traditions, my anonymous guests and I speak for ourselves only, not for Alcoholics Anonymous at large. We share only our personal experiences with A.A. recovery. We acknowledge that AA’s sole concern is the recovery and continued sobriety of those alcoholics who turn to the Fellowship for help. As members of AA, our primary purpose is to stay sober and to help other alcoholics achieve sobriety. – Howard L.]

Ever wonder what staying "dry" for years without AA would feel like? My guest on today’s show is Julie H., a woman whom I’ve known for many years through a variety of meetings we’ve attended. As is often the case in many AA friendships, my knowledge of Julie’s story was limited to her brief shares and a little chit-chat after the meetings. For better or worse, I assumed that her 38+ years of sobriety were indicative of consistent participation in the Program. However, when I interviewed her, I was surprised to find out that, after getting sober , she'd spent more than 22 of those 38 years only marginally involved in AA or sometimes not at all. Her infrequent interaction with the Program, plus self-will were enough to keep her dry, "so-dry-ety" a friend of mine calls it. But the happiness and enrichment of contented sobriety through AA eluded her. Dreadfully unhappy, yet dry, Julie finally came to the higher-powered realization that she needed AA on a regular basis if she was ever going to be able to really enjoy her life. As a result, she re-engaged with the Program through regular meeting attendance, sponsorship, book studies, and daily service work. Her renewed commitment to AA and the fellowship have helped Julie build a life of contented sobriety. Julie’s story is especially important for anyone who has contemplated getting sober in AA and then dis-engaging after a period of time to just stay dry. The Big Book is chock-full of stories of people who left the Program and stayed dry. Their dry-a-logues are tails of eventually getting drunk, or living dry, desperate lives of discontentment and loneliness. But for many of them, like Julie, returning to the rooms and the Program restored the key to many doors of contentment in sobriety and enjoyment of every day life. I’m beholden to Julie for bringing us her unique story. It’s one that both active and non-active AA members need to hear and share with others. It shows what life can be like if we let up on AA’s vigorous Program of action. So, please invite a friend to join you for the next hour as you listen to the vital words of my friend and AA sister, Julie H. Check out Howard’s Big Book Podcast, the complete unabridged audio version of the First and Second Editions of Alcoholics Anonymous. The Big Book Podcast is an engaging cover-to-cover, word-for-word reading of all 11 chapters and Personal Stories, many of which were left out of the Third and Fourth Editions. Subscribe for free on Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts. Or listen on https://bigbookpodcast.com [Disclaimer: In strict adherence to A.A.’s traditions, my anonymous guests and I speak for ourselves only, not for Alcoholics Anonymous at large. We share only our personal experiences with A.A. recovery. We acknowledge that AA’s sole concern is the recovery and continued sobriety of those alcoholics who turn to the Fellowship for help. As members of AA, our primary purpose is to stay sober and to help other alcoholics achieve sobriety. – Howard L.]

Ray’s difficult road to sobriety was paved with many failed attempts to get sober over the years. Each attempt was thwarted by the belief that his situation was somehow different than the people he met in 6 different treatment centers and sporadic AA meetings. The similarities of his loneliness and wanting to fit in were eclipsed by the differences he saw in his social standing and material advantages he enjoyed via his family of wealth and privilege. Each alcoholic debacle he encountered over the years, such as totaling 3 new BMWs and facing multiple DUI charges, was met by his parents’ earnest, yet enabling, efforts to bail him out of trouble. After each extrication, Ray’s half-hearted commitments to sobriety were accompanied by fabulous business opportunities that were viewed by all as some kind of antidote to his worsening alcoholism. Though he did quit drinking, he continued to use marijuana and his behavior didn’t change at all. The resulting downward slide, unaided by family help in the end, brought Ray both business ruin and ruptures in all of his relationships. He finally came back to AA. Though he encountered a few more slips along the way, he got a sponsor, worked the steps, and was ultimately able to claim his last sobriety date in 2009. The gifts of sobriety have been many for Ray over the years and, most importantly, they’ve been gifts of similarity shared with his fellows in the Program. Instructive, too, have been the severe challenges he has faced, including his battle with a form of lymphoma that many people don’t survive. Through it all, Ray has developed a deep love for the Program and an unwavering commitment to service work. Especially during the Covid pandemic, when his co-morbidities made it impossible for live meetings, he has been instrumental in setting up and managing a number of Zoom AA meetings around the country. Thankfully, his is the first face of recovery that many new AA members encounter when they log onto Zoom for their first meeting. I’m grateful to have Ray in my life and appreciate all he does for our AA community. I think you’ll find his story to be both encouraging and illustrative. So settle in for the next hour or so while you enjoy the inspiring words of my good friend and AA brother, Ray O. Check out Howard’s Big Book Podcast, the complete unabridged audio version of the First and Second Editions of Alcoholics Anonymous. The Big Book Podcast is an engaging cover-to-cover, word-for-word reading of all 11 chapters and Personal Stories, many of which were left out of the Third and Fourth Editions. Subscribe for free on Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts. Or listen on https://bigbookpodcast.com [Disclaimer: In strict adherence to A.A.’s traditions, my anonymous guests and I speak for ourselves only, not for Alcoholics Anonymous at large. We share only our personal experiences with A.A. recovery. We acknowledge that AA’s sole concern is the recovery and continued sobriety of those alcoholics who turn to the Fellowship for help. As members of AA, our primary purpose is to stay sober and to help other alcoholics achieve sobriety. – Howard L.]

Marty's rapid journey to the bottom included multiple relapses and a suicide attempt. The illusion that self-will could keep him sober dogged his every step as he suffered the ravages of worsening alcoholism. That he even got sober at all was an amazement to those of us who got to know him along the way. As one of the more colorful people I know in Alcoholics Anonymous, Marty and I attend many of the same meetings each week, so we’ve gotten to know each other quite well over the past nine years. Unfortunately, those years included a relapse after 10 months, then another relapse after 14 months of sobriety. It was after his last slip, however, which landed him in a New York City hospital after a failed suicide attempt, that Marty finally embraced the Program and honestly got to work on sobriety. That was over six years ago and he’s been sober since. Frankly, Marty’s first couple of forays in AA were noticed by many of us as well-intentioned but half-hearted attempts to subserve the Program with his own intellect and self-will for staying sober. It obviously didn’t work. We were all familiar with his well-worn approach of just showing up at meetings, but not doing the actual work. So, with no real investment in his own recovery or spiritual condition, but still trying to run the show, it’s not surprising he slipped early on. But the damage he’d done to his family, friendships, and career along the way finally caught up with him. So did the notion of checking out. By God’s grace, Marty was given a second, or should I say, last chance to build a sober life. Today, Marty is firmly anchored in the center of AA by virtue of his continual meeting attendance, close relationship with his sponsor, daily meditation and prayer, and lots of service work with sponsees. His commitment to long-term sobriety is reflected in his Program, as is the ready acknowledgement that one drink could end it all. And while his story on today’s AA Recovery Interviews podcast is as entertaining as ever, it’s underlying message of hope for those who may be struggling is both immediate and vital for all to hear. This is the 53rd episode of the AA Recovery Interviews series with many, many more to come. But for now, tune into the next hour and enjoy my interview with my good friend and AA brother, Marty S.

Kristy's exceptional story is one of early addiction evolving into a 5-year struggle with alcoholism in her 30’s. Though she spent only a couple of years in that quagmire before she found AA, her descent to the bottom was both swift and severe. Trying to justify, then hide her alcoholism from her husband, kids, and employer only revealed to them how much worse Kristy’s drinking had actually become. By the time she finally ran out of excuses and began a vigorous AA program in 2018, she was physically and mentally depleted. Getting a sponsor, working the steps, and attending daily meetings drew her towards the center of the Program That early work portended two crises in her early sobriety that pulled her from the center to the outskirts of AA. First, her husband suffered a major stroke and she became his primary caregiver. Fortunately, the time she invested in meeting and getting to know others in the Program was clearly realized when her newfound AA friends gathered around to help pull her through. Then in early 2020, Kristy was diagnosed with a rare form of spinal cancer which left her without use of her legs. Complicating the already horrendous situation was a pandemic that prevented Kristy from being able to have visitors during the four months she was in the hospital undergoing intensive cancer treatment. Fortunately, she was able to connect with her home groups via Zoom. All of her fellow AAs were able to support her on a daily basis with our own experience, strength, and hope. Today, with 3½ years of sobriety, Kristy is on the mend, learning how to live life without the use of her legs. To be sure, her tragedies during early sobriety, and staying sober through them are informative, valuable, and inspirational to those she touches. Zoom had a bad day during my interview with Kristy, so her audio is less than stellar. But her message of hope, perseverance, and commitment comes through loud and clear. So pull up a seat for the next 60 minutes and listen to inspirational words of my AA sister on today’s AA Recovery Interviews podcast, Kristy M.

Dow's revolving-door story of getting sober, slipping, and struggling to get sober again and again should be heard by AAs everywhere. It’s a cautionary tale that shines a bright light on the cunning, baffling, and powerful nature of alcoholism. It's the disease that’s always lurking just outside the perimeter of AA ready to claim those who let up on this Program of action. In Dow’s case, his family history of alcoholism and drug addiction replicated early in his life when his loneliness and fear of disappointing others needed relief. Drinking, smoking marijuana, and later cocaine use were vital to his ability to cope with life. As a functional alcoholic and addict, he actually succeeded in his academic pursuits, including a law school degree, but his constant need to escape from himself was ever present. Finally, after run-ins with the law and other consequences of his disease, he ended up in rehab for the first time, during which he was introduced to AA. While he stayed sober for a period of time, his success with sobriety also fed his ego. Rather than gratefully embracing the Program, he reclaimed illusory management of his life and soon found himself actually planning his next relapse. During his subsequent 7-year slip diverging from any hope of recovery, he fed his addictions with reckless living fueled by brain-damaging crack cocaine and nefarious relationships. When he finally hit his bottom after three more treatment centers, Dow crawled back into the rooms of Alcoholics Anonymous. But his erroneous belief that it would be easy to come back was crushed by the excruciating realization that he would have to give up and give in to the Program once and for all if he was to get sober and stay alive. But this time he embraced the Program, did the work, and is sober to this day. Those listeners who have relapsed one or more times will identify immediately with Dow’s poignant story. Those who’ve ever considered relapse may think twice or be dissuaded to follow through with a slip. However you hear his story, I think you’ll find the next hour to be extremely valuable. By the way, I apologize for a rare technical glitch with the interviewer portion of this podcast that makes it sound like I’m conducting the interview from a phone booth, for those of you who remember what a phone booth is! But the quality of content is still excellent and should make up for any sub-par audio. So, without further ado, AA Recovery Interviews and I are pleased to welcome my long-time friend and AA brother, Dow H.

It's our 50th episode of AA Recovery Interviews! The podcast where AA members share their extraordinary personal stories of experience, strength, and hope! To celebrate the success of this podcast in touching so many peoples’ lives around the world, I’m turning the microphone for this landmark episode over to my good friend, Adam M. As my very first interviewee for the AA Recovery Interviews podcast, Adam was one of several AA friends who suggested doing an interview with the creator, producer, writer, editor, director, and host of this podcast, namely me. Though I’ve sought to share meaningful parts of my story during conversations with my podcast guests, the purpose of this podcast has always been to hear the whole story. So in the spirit of that commitment to let listeners hear my AA story, I gratefully relinquish control of today’s show to our guest interviewer, Adam M.

Nicknamed “Happy Jackie” by her meeting mates, Jackie first came to Alcoholics Anonymous to grudgingly fulfill the once-a-week AA meeting requirement set by her 31st psychiatrist. It was the culmination of a life that began as a two-pound baby who’d spent the first six months of her life in an incubator. Raised with the instilled belief that, even as a teenager, she was still too weak to accomplish anything, Jackie was spurred on to making herself strong and self-sufficient. But it took alcohol to ease the pain, doubt, and shame long enough for her to accomplish it. With each success was further validation that she couldn’t possibly be an alcoholic, though by that time it was apparent to everyone but Jackie. By the time she had been through several abusive marriages and raising two children, her drinking was worse than ever. Her 80-hour work weeks and admirable production as vice president of a bank shielded her from the stark self-realization that she was a serious alcoholic. But even as a functional drunk, ruinous living eventually caught up to Jackie’s rapidly deteriorating life. In emotional and spiritual desperation, Jackie finally admitted her powerlessness and reached out to her higher power for help. By 1994 she found her way into AA and was she was on the road to recovery. However, in 1997, Jackie abused Valium for one day. The following day, she was back in an AA meeting. Though she could have easily sloughed off the one-day slip, she was inspired by what she had learned in the Program about telling the truth and, thus, reset her sobriety date. She’s been sober ever since. Jackie’s experience in AA speaks to the very tenets of the Program. Since getting sober, she’s stayed close to AA through regular meetings, service work, and sponsoring other women. Her sobriety and relationships with many AA’s have helped her navigate through the darkest of times, while bolstering her belief that a life energy beyond understanding will continue guide her journey every step of the way. I think you’ll find Jackie’s story too be both uplifting and meaningful. She’s got the kind of vigor and energy that enrich the meetings she attends and the people she touches. So relax for the next 60 minutes and enjoy this episode of AA Recovery Interviews with my guest and AA sister, Jackie B.

Patty’s erratic, wild, and reckless behavior began when she first started black-out drinking at age 11. By the time she was 16, that behavior brought her into Alcoholics Anonymous, where she has stayed sober for more than 40 years. Back in 1981, there were few treatment options available for teenage alcoholics and drug addicts. Though neither of her parents were alcoholic, they struggled to help Patty as her use of alcohol, marijuana, and other drugs spiraled out of control, She found herself in a variety of groups and psychotherapy intended to arrest her addictions, including early exposure to AA, but none seemed to work. The fact that she blacked out virtually every time she drank made it exceedingly difficult for her to recognize the connection between her drinking and the dangerous, sordid, and often illegal activities she engaged in while drunk. Even her arrest at 15 following a car crash did little to convince her of the need to get sober. But the slippery slope got ever steeper and the accelerating consequences of her blackouts became ever more severe. By the time she got sober, at an age when most people haven’t even started drinking, Patty’s brief, but concentrated experience as an alcoholic and drug addict, were finally enough to guide her into Alcoholics Anonymous, where she found a sponsor and the Twelve Steps. She literally grew up in the fellowship, gaining a spiritual awakening along the way and the willingness to help others. Of course the story doesn’t end there. Patty is quick to acknowledge that 40 years in AA is really 40 years of one-day-at-a time and that her life has constantly changed and evolved. She has experienced everything life has offered, both good and bad, while remaining ever-grateful that she found the Program so young and with so many promising years ahead of her. I both admire and respect Patty D. and believe you’ll glean much from her story, whether you got sober when young or old, recently, or many years ago. So, sit back for the next hour and enjoy this calming yet captivating interview with my friend and AA sister, Patty D.

Alcoholic, drug addict, and crazy are three of the self-proclaimed monikers Preston D. wore as a teenager. I first met him when he got sober seven years ago. Since then, we’ve attended many of the same men’s meetings, both in person and on Zoom. Though he moved from Houston to New York City to expand his career as successful artist two years ago, we’ve stayed connected through on-line meetings and during his visits back home. As one of my younger guests, Preston has spent his 20’s in recovery after a turbulent childhood marred by suicidal ideations and teenage years riddled with alcohol and drug addiction. The marijuana, booze, opioids, and cocaine coalesced into a fast-lane lifestyle and early entrepreneurial success with clothing and sneaker design. But his addictions soon torpedoed his achievements and ultimately took him down in a very short time. By age 19, Preston’s rapid descent to the bottom was arrested by an intervention orchestrated by his long-time therapist. That lead him to IOP treatment for his many addictions punctuated by fits and starts, and lots of doubts about sobriety. When he finally got to AA in 2014, he was totally beaten by alcohol and drugs, and ready to admit of defeat. He started attending meetings and got a sponsor to help him thoroughly work the steps. As AA became a more regular part of his life, it allowed Preston to pursue his dreams of being a working artist and lead to his move to New York. Tragically, over the past year, serious health issues punctuated by debilitating and chronic pain have pushed him to the limits of sanity and sobriety. Thankfully, the lifelines he tied to the higher-powered center of his AA program have allowed him to hang on without slipping. Today, Preston’s recuperation from chronic pain has been eased by his steady involvement in AA, including service work, sponsorship, and prayer. With a lot to look forward to, he continually demonstrates how a solid commitment to Alcoholics Anonymous can enrich the quality of life. At an age when many of us alcoholics were still deep in our cups, Preston’s experience in AA is a fine example of what is possible for other young people who are struggling with getting and staying sober. It’s an awesome and inspiring story, and one which I think you’ll enjoy listening to. So here he is from Brooklyn, New York, my fine friend and AA Brother, Preston D. Visit the AA Recovery Interviews website for more information and to contact me, Howard L. Check out Howard’s Big Book Podcast, the complete unabridged audio version of the First and Second Editions of Alcoholics Anonymous. The Big Book Podcast is an engaging cover-to-cover, word-for-word reading of all 11 chapters and Personal Stories, many of which were left out of the Third and Fourth Editions. Subscribe for free on Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts. Or listen on https://bigbookpodcast.com [Disclaimer: In strict adherence to A.A.’s traditions, my anonymous guests and I speak for ourselves only, not for Alcoholics Anonymous at large. We share only our personal experiences with A.A. recovery. We acknowledge that AA’s sole concern is the recovery and continued sobriety of those alcoholics who turn to the Fellowship for help. As members of AA, our primary purpose is to stay sober and to help other alcoholics achieve sobriety. – Howard L.]

At age 13, Amanda was challenged by her parents to drink half a bottle of Crown Royal. It left her sick and passed out on the bathroom floor in a pool of vomit. Yet she couldn’t wait to do it again, with any liquor but Crown Royal! From there, Amanda rapidly progressed in her drinking and drug use. By 15, she had escaped her childhood home and went to live with drug-dealing boyfriend. When that didn’t work out, she moved in with her grandparents, but drugs and alcohol barged back into her life and she found herself on a downward trend into heavy drinking. She went to work in a bar, which allowed her to drink with little consequence, save the occasional firing. She somehow managed to live on her own in an apartment across the street from the bar, to cut the risk of DWI. But the darkness of the disease descended into her life and by her late 20’s, she had lost about everything and had to live with her sister, the first person to ever call her an alcoholic. A DWI lead her into the legal system, replete with court-ordered IOP treatment and twice-weekly AA meetings. It was in Alcoholics Anonymous that she finally faced her alcoholism and drug addiction, though she didn’t get sober immediately. But that belly full of booze and headful of AA was sufficient to trigger her moment of truth. She had a sudden spiritual experience of the kind Bill W. talks about in the Big Book. That was 3½ years ago, when Amanda went “all in” the Program of AA. She got a sponsor, worked all 12 steps multiple times, attended regular meetings, engaged in service work, and sponsored other women. Today she lives a full and rich life from the center of the Program and can be seen after meetings arranging informal get-togethers at local restaurants and other fellowship. I’ve known her since the earliest days of her sobriety and am grateful to have had a front-row seat watching this fellow alcoholic really get what AA is all about. Amanda’s story at three years sober will inspire those with less time to stay regularly engaged in AA. For those with more time, her story may trigger reminiscence of early years of sobriety. So for newcomers, old-timers, and everyone in between, settle back for a comfortable listen to the 46th interview in this podcast series with my good friend and AA sister, Amanda B. Visit the AA Recovery Interviews website for more information and to contact me, Howard L. Check out Howard’s Big Book Podcast, the complete unabridged audio version of the First and Second Editions of Alcoholics Anonymous. The Big Book Podcast is an engaging cover-to-cover, word-for-word reading of all 11 chapters and Personal Stories, many of which were left out of the Third and Fourth Editions. Subscribe for free on Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts. Or listen on https://bigbookpodcast.com [Disclaimer: In strict adherence to A.A.’s traditions, my anonymous guests and I speak for ourselves only, not for Alcoholics Anonymous at large. We share only our personal experiences with A.A. recovery. We acknowledge that AA’s sole concern is the recovery and continued sobriety of those alcoholics who turn to the Fellowship for help. As members of AA, our primary purpose is to stay sober and to help other alcoholics achieve sobriety. – Howard L.]

Jason's moment of clarity materialized with the barrel of a cocked revolver resting against his head. That he didn’t pull the trigger, and managed to un-cock the hammer of the pistol while still drunk, gave him a singular pause to ask his higher power for help. That he’s still sober some 27 years later is proof positive that a good sober life can be built and sustained by active participation in AA. Jason’s journey to the doors of AA is similar to other alcoholics I’ve interviewed: Drinking in early adolescence, followed by marijuana and beer through high school, lead to his often drunken participation in a college fraternity. His problem became so evident and acute that his fraternity brothers actually tried to stage an intervention to get him help. When that didn’t happen, Jason continued the all too common metamorphosis into a functional alcoholic. He finished school, got a good job, and got married, only to find his drunken blackouts getting worse and literally dissembling every aspect of his life. By the time his second wife told him she was leaving, his alcoholism had progressed to the point of a gun aimed at his own head. Fortunately, the resulting wake up call became a call for help which AA answered immediately. As you listen to Jason’s story, you’ll also hear about a malady both he and I share in our otherwise solid AA-driven lives, clinical depression. Perhaps you’ll identify with our experience of the fighting the mental illness of depression while trying to maintain sobriety. Fortunately, for Jason and me, outside medical intervention was sought and applied. Today, while living enriched sober lives, we both are unhesitant to discuss our experience with depression inside the rooms of Alcoholics Anonymous. Though I’ve known Jason for about a year-and-a-half through a weekly Zoom meeting we both attend, I feel as if I’ve known him for years. His calm wisdom and the quiet confidence expressed in his sobriety is that of a man who found AA right at just the right time, thanks to a power greater than himself and his earnest work in the program one day at a time. So, without further delay, please enjoy the next 55 minutes with my friend and AA brother, Jason G. Visit the AA Recovery Interviews website for more information and to contact me, Howard L. Check out Howard’s Big Book Podcast, the complete unabridged audio version of the First and Second Editions of Alcoholics Anonymous. The Big Book Podcast is an engaging cover-to-cover, word-for-word reading of all 11 chapters and Personal Stories, many of which were left out of the Third and Fourth Editions. Subscribe for free on Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts. Or listen on https://bigbookpodcast.com To contact Alcoholics Anonymous World Services, visit aa.org. [Disclaimer: In strict adherence to A.A.’s traditions, my anonymous guests and I speak for ourselves only, not for Alcoholics Anonymous at large. We share only our personal experiences with A.A. recovery. We acknowledge that AA’s sole concern is the recovery and continued sobriety of those alcoholics who turn to the Fellowship for help. As members of AA, our primary purpose is to stay sober and to help other alcoholics achieve sobriety. – Howard L.]

Sarah’s journey from the bleakness of active alcoholism to the hopefulness of sobriety has been fraught with challenges that lots of alcoholics frankly don’t survive. When she started drinking alcohol and smoking marijuana during her early teenage years, she easily fit in with those around her who were similarly engaged. She excelled in both high school and college while drinking and using, rapidly becoming a functional alcoholic who drank and blacked out often. But as her motivation for drinking morphed from social enjoyment to isolated self-medication, Sarah’s trip to the depths of alcoholism was gaining speed. Getting pregnant during her senior year in college yielded a baby and a short-lived marriage, both of which got in the way of her drinking and drug use. Though ashamed of her somewhat neglectful care of her baby, in deference to getting drunk, Sarah found herself facing a divorce decree that threatened her entitlement of raising her child. With her ex getting primary custody of their child, Sarah did not stop drinking or using during her split-custody time with her son. Nor did she quit when the court ordered her to do so. Family pleas also landed on Sarah’s deaf ears. Finally, by the time her son was 8 years old, Sarah had had enough and her moment of clarity came amidst a disheartening outlook for her future. She entered AA in 2014 and has been sober since. The rest of Sarah’s story is one of hard work in AA, lead by a good sponsor who guided her through the steps and helped her position herself in the middle of the Program. Sponsorship of other women and a variety of service work, combined with a strong spiritual connection allowed her to build a healthy relationship with her son. It also sustained a good working relationship with her ex-husband who, incidentally, is also in the Program. As you listen to Sarah’s story, I think you’ll find similarities with which to identify. So whether you’re driving, walking the dog, exercising, or multi-tasking in any sober endeavor, please enjoy the next hour with my good friend and AA sister, Sarah B. Visit the AA Recovery Interviews website for more information and to contact me, Howard L. Check out Howard’s Big Book Podcast, the complete unabridged audio version of the First and Second Editions of Alcoholics Anonymous. The Big Book Podcast is an engaging cover-to-cover, word-for-word reading of all 11 chapters and Personal Stories, many of which were left out of the Third and Fourth Editions. Subscribe for free on Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts. Or listen on https://bigbookpodcast.com To contact Alcoholics Anonymous World Services, visit aa.org. [Disclaimer: In strict adherence to A.A.’s traditions, my anonymous guests and I speak for ourselves only, not for Alcoholics Anonymous at large. We share only our personal experiences with A.A. recovery. We acknowledge that AA’s sole concern is the recovery and continued sobriety of those alcoholics who turn to the Fellowship for help. As members of AA, our primary purpose is to stay sober and to help other alcoholics achieve sobriety. – Howard L.]

Born and raised in London, Leigh's love affair with alcohol began in neighborhood public houses, or pubs. These establishments were and still are the centers of gathering in the town where Leigh grew up. Despite the fact that he was underage, having a pint or two of beer at the local pub was an unremarkable occurrence largely ignored by those around him. But, as he came of age, Leigh’s drinking in and outside of pubs escalated above and beyond the realm of normal drinking. He quickly found himself drinking much more than his mates. Like many budding problem drinkers, he became a functional alcoholic, achieving scholastic success by day, while drinking and often blacking out during the evenings and on weekend binges. By the time he was well into his first job after college, Leigh’s drinking had become problematic and obvious to everyone but him. After moving to Texas early in his career in the oil industry, his daily alcohol consumption and blackouts were mostly managed, though his first marriage succumbed to the ruinous effects of alcoholism. But the moniker of “functional alcoholic” faded quickly as his drinking spiraled out of control. Finally, after a two-week blackout, he awoke strapped down to a psychiatric hospital bed and realized he was finished. A visit shortly thereafter by a responsible fellow of AA coincided with a brief interval of clarity for Leigh. He soon found his way into the rooms of Alcoholics Anonymous. He started doing the work and the results followed. In many ways, Leigh’s story is cut from the same cloth as many recovering alcoholics, and his 26 years of sobriety reflect the very fundamentals of AA. Whether his service work was taking AA into prisons or working with sponsees, Leigh combined those commitments with regular attendance at AA meetings to create a Program centered in the “middle of the bed”, as many of my British friends like to call it. As you take in Leigh’s simple, yet practical, wisdom for working the Program, I think you’ll sense his quiet confidence that his Higher Power is indubitably running the show. Though it’s the product of 26 years in AA, Leigh’s story may likely inspire and invigorate your experience in the Program no matter how long you’ve been sober. With that, I give you today’s AA Recovery Interview for the next 65 minutes with my friend and AA brother, Leigh P. Visit the AA Recovery Interviews website for more information and to contact me, Howard L. Check out Howard’s Big Book Podcast, the complete unabridged audio version of the First and Second Editions of Alcoholics Anonymous. The Big Book Podcast is an engaging cover-to-cover, word-for-word reading of all 11 chapters and Personal Stories, many of which were left out of the Third and Fourth Editions. Subscribe for free on Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts. Or listen on https://bigbookpodcast.com To contact Alcoholics Anonymous World Services, visit aa.org. [Disclaimer: In strict adherence to A.A.’s traditions, my anonymous guests and I speak for ourselves only, not for Alcoholics Anonymous at large. We share only our personal experiences with A.A. recovery. We acknowledge that AA’s sole concern is the recovery and continued sobriety of those alcoholics who turn to the Fellowship for help. As members of AA, our primary purpose is to stay sober and to help other alcoholics achieve sobriety. – Howard L.]

Rosemary started drinking at age 6 with a sip of beer. But unlike other children, whose experience with beer was an occasional sip, Rosemary's beer drinking became an everyday occurrence. Her parents, distracted by their own severe alcoholism, allowed her to continue drinking daily from age 6 until she got sober in her 20’s. As the oldest of five children in a very dysfunctional family, Rosemary also became the chief caregiver for her younger siblings, essentially raising them while her parents’ disease made them oblivious to the needs of their own children. When she finally escaped the alcoholic madness of her childhood home, Rosemary’s daily drinking, bolstered by a variety of drugs, left her on the streets of New York City where her alcoholism and drug addiction flourished. But an early marriage to an alcoholic led to a pregnancy that was the turning point in her life. Scared by the prospects of having a baby with medical problems, Rosemary quit the alcohol and drugs cold turkey. Ironically, the DTs she suffered were mistaken for symptoms of morning sickness and neither she nor any of her doctors connected the dots. Fortunately, the baby was born healthy and Rosemary was sober for the first time in her life. A brief stint in Al-Anon re-directed her to the doors of AA, where she became a compliant and active member of the Program. Rosemary’s story has quite a few twists and turns, including a period of sobriety during which she attended few meetings. But she never strayed too far. Years of intensive trauma therapy helped realign her ability and willingness to both share in meetings and work with others. Her experience in therapy combined with a strong AA program, is one that many of us sober alcoholics have in our sobriety stories. In Rosemary’s life, that experience has been indispensable. Interestingly, she directly credits her success in business to what she learned at the hand of alcoholic parents, as well as what she experienced on the streets of New York. As you listen to Rosemary’s story, her soft-spoken words convey the importance of coming to terms with past demons. The sobriety she’s crafted over the past 40 years reflects both hard work in the program and a heart-felt desire to help others. So sit back and enjoy the next 60 minutes with my friend and AA sister, Rosemary B. Visit the AA Recovery Interviews website for more information and to contact me, Howard L. Check out Howard’s Big Book Podcast, the complete unabridged audio version of the First and Second Editions of Alcoholics Anonymous. The Big Book Podcast is an engaging cover-to-cover, word-for-word reading of all 11 chapters and Personal Stories, many of which were left out of the Third and Fourth Editions. Subscribe for free on Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts. Or listen on https://bigbookpodcast.com To contact Alcoholics Anonymous World Services, visit aa.org. [Disclaimer: In strict adherence to A.A.’s traditions, my anonymous guests and I speak for ourselves only, not for Alcoholics Anonymous at large. We share only our personal experiences with A.A. recovery. We acknowledge that AA’s sole concern is the recovery and continued sobriety of those alcoholics who turn to the Fellowship for help. As members of AA, our primary purpose is to stay sober and to help other alcoholics achieve sobriety. – Howard L.]

Dan D. showed up in the rooms of Alcoholics Anonymous at the tender age of 18. His undeniable qualification for the Program was gleaned from a difficult childhood that included divorced parents at age 3, after which a rageful alcoholic became Dan’s stepfather at age 6. From a childhood rife with family dysfunction, fear, and uncertainty, Dan emerged into adolescence where he found alcohol and drugs to sooth the inner-turmoil and emotional pain. Left largely unchecked by his disarrayed family, Dan was free to run the streets as a teenager while his budding alcoholism and drug addiction paved the way to certain ruin. By the time he was an older teen, cocaine had taken over his Dan’s life, and he started stealing from his employer and robbing houses to support his habit. At age 18, he’d stepped over the line by robbing his parents’ home for the umpteenth time Their ultimatum to Dan was either go into treatment or be booted out onto the street. He spent 90 days in treatment followed by an intensive AA program in which he was guided by a thorough sponsor and several old timers into service-oriented sobriety that continues to this day. But Dan’s story became truly extraordinary in 1994 when, with eight years in AA, he somehow managed to stay sober after being diagnosed with Multiple Sclerosis. MS is an incurable and disabling disease that attacks the brain, spinal cord, and the entire central nervous system. After eight years of sobriety, Dan’s prospects with MS were those of certain pain, constant struggle, and debilitation of his entire body. But he has endured MS by utilizing the spiritual tools of the Program with to battle that chronic disease. What amazes me most about Dan is how he has taken his experience fighting MS and put it into practical use in his AA program. Residing in the center of “double A”, as Dan calls it, his service work with newcomers and as a sponsor is incredibly inspiring to anyone seeking sobriety. I’ll let Dan tell you the rest of the story. I’m confident you’ll come away with a new perspective of experience, strength, and hope told from Dan’s unique and inimitable point of view. So listen closely for the many gifts over the next hour served up from my friend and AA brother Dan D. Visit the AA Recovery Interviews website for more information and to contact me, Howard L. Check out Howard’s Big Book Podcast, the complete unabridged audio version of the First and Second Editions of Alcoholics Anonymous. The Big Book Podcast is an engaging cover-to-cover, word-for-word reading of all 11 chapters and Personal Stories, many of which were left out of the Third and Fourth Editions. Subscribe for free on Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts. Or listen on https://bigbookpodcast.com To contact Alcoholics Anonymous World Services, visit aa.org. [Disclaimer: In strict adherence to A.A.’s traditions, my anonymous guests and I speak for ourselves only, not for Alcoholics Anonymous at large. We share only our personal experiences with A.A. recovery. We acknowledge that AA’s sole concern is the recovery and continued sobriety of those alcoholics who turn to the Fellowship for help. As members of AA, our primary purpose is to stay sober and to help other alcoholics achieve sobriety. – Howard L.]

Diane’s story is wrought from a difficult childhood in which being the youngest of four meant being largely ignored by her parents, especially when her father was drinking. Until he died at 56, his alcoholism also fed a mean streak that landed hard on her family, with verbal abuse and derision often aimed at Diane. As a teenager, she found alcohol as a way to escape and her drinking followed her into four booze-soaked years in the air force. At age 22, she met and married the father of her two children with high hopes of a happy marriage. She dreamed he would support and encourage her pursuit of a career as an attorney. But her continued drinking, and lack of support from her husband, resulted in her filing for divorce after a rocky 10-year marriage. On her own, with two kids to raise in the midst of a escalating alcohol use, Diane somehow managed to work as a paralegal and also attend law school in the evenings. Through God-given talent, and the tenacity of a functional alcoholic, Diane’s career as a lawyer took shape. Unfortunately, as her drinking increased, as did her alcoholic behavior. The subsequent years took their toll until she hit the wall shortly after Christmas in 1996. With little knowledge of AA, her chance encounter with a woman in the Program, led Diane to her first AA meetings and onto the road of recovery. Diane’s is a classic AA success story of full immersion in the Program. She got a sponsor, worked the steps, went to lots of meetings, and sponsored women along the way. But the greatest enrichment of her life, via service work, took the form of helping others find sobriety through her work as an attorney in the civil and family court systems. Laying her own personal anonymity aside, Diane has become an ambassador for sobriety by helping clients and their families find treatment alternatives. As importantly, she also imparts her knowledge, understanding, and first-hand experience to other lawyers and judges throughout the family court system. She’s also passionately involved in a lawyer assistance program that helps those with substance abuse find the right solutions. Diane’s selfless and successful work in recovery, both within AA and in the legal system, demonstrate the overall quality of a solid Program. I’m grateful to be her friend and am impressed by her efforts in helping others. I think you’ll be impressed, too, as you spend the next hour and ten minutes with my friend and AA sister, Diane S. Visit the AA Recovery Interviews website for more information and to contact me, Howard L. Check out Howard’s Big Book Podcast, the complete unabridged audio version of the First and Second Editions of Alcoholics Anonymous. The Big Book Podcast is an engaging cover-to-cover, word-for-word reading of all 11 chapters and Personal Stories, many of which were left out of the Third and Fourth Editions. Subscribe for free on Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts. Or listen on https://bigbookpodcast.com To contact Alcoholics Anonymous World Services, visit aa.org. [Disclaimer: In strict adherence to A.A.’s traditions, my anonymous guests and I speak for ourselves only, not for Alcoholics Anonymous at large. We share only our personal experiences with A.A. recovery. We acknowledge that AA’s sole concern is the recovery and continued sobriety of those alcoholics who turn to the Fellowship for help. As members of AA, our primary purpose is to stay sober and to help other alcoholics achieve sobriety. – Howard L.]

As an alcoholic and drug addict throughout his teenage years, Randy L. got sober before being old enough to legally drink. His difficult childhood was ruled by compulsive behavior, limited attention, and hyperactivity. Later diagnosed with ADHD, Randy was treated with meds that worked, but left him craving a calmer and steadier mental state. He soon relief in alcohol and marijuana. Though the damage occurred while he was a teenager, Randy’s rise to full-blown addiction was both rapid and severe. He exploited every opportunity to drink and use in high school and early college. Increasing isolated from his family, his behavior soon deteriorated into that of a drug-selling addict and alcoholic. His flawed belief that he was getting away with it fooled nobody but himself. Fortunately, his family arranged a very dramatic rescue plan for Randy that landed him in a 90-day treatment program, from which he emerged into accelerating participation in AA. At only 20 years of age, Randy relaunched his life by getting a sponsor, working the steps, going to meetings, and establishing a close fellowship in the Program with older men who taught him how to live sober. Randy labels himself a high-bottom alcoholic. But the work he’s done in the program demonstrates the deep dive he’s taken into understanding his own life and the behavior that influenced his personal growth and success. Of particular insight was a highly traumatic event he experienced when he was six that greatly informed his thinking and actions throughout his life. Today, Randy’s total commitment to AA, his young family, and the businesses he runs, makes for a full and busy life. But the men who he’s both sponsored and befriended, will tell you that he’s a man of passion and empathy who is always ready to help. From first-hand knowledge, I know that to be true and I’m confident you’ll find his story to be both compelling and uplifting. So, without further ado, let me introduce to you my good friend and AA brother, Randy L. Visit the AA Recovery Interviews website for more information and to contact me, Howard L. Check out Howard’s Big Book Podcast, the complete unabridged audio version of the First and Second Editions of Alcoholics Anonymous. The Big Book Podcast is an engaging cover-to-cover, word-for-word reading of all 11 chapters and Personal Stories, many of which were left out of the Third and Fourth Editions. Subscribe for free on Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts. Or listen on https://bigbookpodcast.com To contact Alcoholics Anonymous World Services, visit aa.org. [Disclaimer: In strict adherence to A.A.’s traditions, my anonymous guests and I speak for ourselves only, not for Alcoholics Anonymous at large. We share only our personal experiences with A.A. recovery. We acknowledge that AA’s sole concern is the recovery and continued sobriety of those alcoholics who turn to the Fellowship for help. As members of AA, our primary purpose is to stay sober and to help other alcoholics achieve sobriety. – Howard L.]

Given up for adoption at 18 months old by a mother who later committed suicide, Jane was raised by an older loving couple who never quite understood her pre-teen drinking or streak of independence which included running away from home at 14. Early attempts to become a good girl in a Christian youth group gave way to a dark side fueled by emerging alcoholism, wild behavior, and self-harm in the form of cutting. As alcohol and blood flowed over the next years, Jane’s foray into London’s early punk rock scene, preceded a marriage that endured 15 tumultuous years, only to end in divorce. Known to many as Mad Jane, the insanity of the intervening years precipitated her rapid descent toward alcoholic ruin. Fate, however, met her at the edge of the abyss, where she was snagged by the remembered words of a friend who had told her about Alcoholics Anonymous many years earlier. In sheer desperation, Jane flew to the U.S., where her friend helped her find AA. She returned to London with renewed hope and a suggested program of recovery. Though she slipped after a year and a half, Jane re-doubled her efforts, found a good sponsor, worked the steps, and ultimately claimed her current sobriety date over 26 years ago. Through the years, Jane’s active involvement in AA has included service to her groups and sponsoring other women. Because her sobriety has been concurrent with abstinence from self-harm and cutting, Jane’s unique understanding and empathy related to that disease have been extended to others facing that same mental health issue. It’s rare service that goes above and beyond, but is so crucial in these days of multiple addictions. There’s a gentleness in Jane’s recounting of her life’s story that’s both touching and poignant, but also quite impactful. In many ways, her story illuminates how another realm of addiction can encumber the ability and effort to get and stay sober. After you’ve listened to the next 60 minutes of AA Recovery Interviews, I think you’ll appreciate the wisdom and optimism of my friend and AA Sister, Jane P. Visit the AA Recovery Interviews website for more information and to contact me, Howard L. Check out Howard’s Big Book Podcast, the complete unabridged audio version of the First and Second Editions of Alcoholics Anonymous. The Big Book Podcast is an engaging cover-to-cover, word-for-word reading of all 11 chapters and Personal Stories, many of which were left out of the Third and Fourth Editions. Subscribe for free on Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts. Or listen on https://bigbookpodcast.com To contact Alcoholics Anonymous World Services, visit aa.org. [Disclaimer: In strict adherence to A.A.’s traditions, my anonymous guests and I speak for ourselves only, not for Alcoholics Anonymous at large. We share only our personal experiences with A.A. recovery. We acknowledge that AA’s sole concern is the recovery and continued sobriety of those alcoholics who turn to the Fellowship for help. As members of AA, our primary purpose is to stay sober and to help other alcoholics achieve sobriety. – Howard L.]

At age 13, Charlie suffered hydrocephalous and underwent the first of 5 brain operations over the next 8 years. By 15, he had begun using alcohol and pot both recreationally and to relieve his head pain. With sports out of the question, Charlie learned guitar and started playing in bands. His alcohol and drug use escalated through high school and college, and ultimately through law school. By the time he passed the bar exam and embarked on his childhood dream of being a lawyer, Charlie had become a functional alcoholic, drinking daily as he chased the goal of winning a multi-million dollar lawsuit. But even after he achieved that goal, Charlie realized that money and acclaim did nothing to fill the spiritual hole in his psyche. In fact, it resulted in him drinking more than ever, seeking relief and release. As years passed, his alcoholism was fueled by a fifth of scotch per day. A failed first marriage, and 3 arrests for DWI, drove Charlie into AA in 1992. But his refusal to do the work, and his resistance to God in the Steps, eventually washed him out of the Program. By the time he dragged back into AA in 1997, after 5 years of increasing drug use and sordid behavior, Charlie had finally had enough. He got a sponsor, started working the Steps, and established a relationship with a power greater than himself. Regular meetings, sponsoring other men, and doing service work all drew him into the center of the Program where he lives today. A healed relationship with his current wife and children as the result of the Program further solidified his commitment to sobriety above all else. When you listen to Charlie’s story on today’s AA Recovery Interviews show, you’re sure to hear similarities to your own story. As with all my interviews, Charlie’s willingness to share intimate parts of his life with listeners speaks to his love and concern for recovering alcoholics everywhere. His dedication to the Program and his ongoing desire to help other alcoholics achieve sobriety are radiant in his words and enthusiasm. So, savor the next 60 minutes of this episode of AA Recovery Interviews with my friend and AA brother, Charlie D. Visit the AA Recovery Interviews website for more information and to contact me, Howard L. Check out Howard’s Big Book Podcast, the complete unabridged audio version of the First and Second Editions of Alcoholics Anonymous. The Big Book Podcast is an engaging cover-to-cover, word-for-word reading of all 11 chapters and Personal Stories, many of which were left out of the Third and Fourth Editions. Subscribe for free on Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts. Or listen on https://bigbookpodcast.com To contact Alcoholics Anonymous World Services, visit aa.org. [Disclaimer: In strict adherence to A.A.’s traditions, my anonymous guests and I speak for ourselves only, not for Alcoholics Anonymous at large. We share only our personal experiences with A.A. recovery. We acknowledge that AA’s sole concern is the recovery and continued sobriety of those alcoholics who turn to the Fellowship for help. As members of AA, our primary purpose is to stay sober and to help other alcoholics achieve sobriety. – Howard L.]

Alisha's story will resonate with those who have battled not only alcoholism and drug addiction, but mental health issues as well. The product of a broken home in which addiction was rife, the chaos of her upbringing resulted in an early suicide attempt at age 12. With ever-increasing alcohol and drug use, she staggered through her troubled teenage years, into her early 20’s during which time she married and had a child. But the substance abuse soon prevailed over Alisha’s mostly unhappy marriage, and she found herself divorced and rapidly spinning out of control. A period of escalating self-destruction ensued with 3 DWI’s, including a body-shattering crash which left her with brain injury and plenty of trouble with the law. Jail time, legal troubles, and a stark inability to stop drinking and using accelerated Alisha’s downhill slide. Stints in treatment, both inpatient and outpatient, were attempted which included some AA meetings at the time. But little impact was achieved, and she quickly found herself using again, in some cases with other former patients of the treatment center. With her bottom looming and despair at-hand, Alisha finally surrendered to a comprehensive program that addressed both her substance abuse and her mental health issues. She emerged months later and dove into an AA Program that has helped sustain her sobriety for the past 12 years. To say that AA changed Alisha’s life would be an understatement. Since her sobriety date she has worked a Program that includes lots of service work and sponsorship. She has faced major upheavals along the way that severely tested her resolve to stay AA, but she survived them by staying firmly tethered to the center of the Program. Along the way, she has turned her challenges into triumphs, including a successful career change and a renewed relationship with her daughter. Listen closely to Alisha’s story and you may find that with which you identify, especially with regard to co-occurring mental health issues. As with all the interviews on my show, Alisha’s story is one that needs to be heard by both active and recovered alcoholics, and certainly by those that love them. So, I invite you to tune-up and tune-in for the next 60 minutes to this episode of AA Recovery Interviews with my friend and AA sister, Alisha C. Visit the AA Recovery Interviews website for more information and to contact me, Howard L. Check out Howard’s Big Book Podcast, the complete unabridged audio version of the First and Second Editions of Alcoholics Anonymous. The Big Book Podcast is an engaging cover-to-cover, word-for-word reading of all 11 chapters and Personal Stories, many of which were left out of the Third and Fourth Editions. Subscribe for free on Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts. Or listen on https://bigbookpodcast.com To contact Alcoholics Anonymous World Services, visit aa.org. [Disclaimer: In strict adherence to A.A.’s traditions, my anonymous guests and I speak for ourselves only, not for Alcoholics Anonymous at large. We share only our personal experiences with A.A. recovery. We acknowledge that AA’s sole concern is the recovery and continued sobriety of those alcoholics who turn to the Fellowship for help. As members of AA, our primary purpose is to stay sober and to help other alcoholics achieve sobriety. – Howard L.]

Ernie's story is a fascinating excursion into a high-class lifestyle of fast cars, flashy clothes, and glittery nightclubs, all underwritten by a high paying day job and cocaine dealing on the side. As his alcohol and cocaine use turned into alcoholism and drug addiction, all accountability to career, family, and friends evaporated. His risky behavior escalated until he was arrested in a DEA sting and jailed in federal prison. When he got out, he managed to avoid cocaine, aided by increasing use of alcohol. Meanwhile, his marriage and parenthood suffered irreparably. Separation from his wife and daughter ensued and culminated in divorce. Left alone and still addicted, Ernie returned to his nightclubs every night of the week to find relief, but those days were gone. Incomprehensible demoralization was hastening his demise, until his moment of clarity during a hungover visit to his largest business client, who also paid for Ernie’s inpatient treatment. From there, three AA members, including his present day sponsor, pulled Ernie into a Program of hard work, prayer, and service. His relationships with his daughter and ex-wife finally began to heal. Today, nearly 16 years later, he is still sober and his life reflects the willingness of a man who unconditionally allowed the grace of God and the Program of AA to change his life. There’s a lot more of Ernie’s story that you’re going to enjoy, some with which you may identify. Like all my other interviews, it’s both unique and entertaining, while conveying the serious message of possibilities and hope available in Alcoholic Anonymous. So, enjoy listening to this episode of AA Recovery Interviews with my friend and AA brother, Ernie G. Visit the AA Recovery Interviews website for more information and to contact me, Howard L. Check out Howard’s Big Book Podcast, the complete unabridged audio version of the First and Second Editions of Alcoholics Anonymous. The Big Book Podcast is an engaging cover-to-cover, word-for-word reading of all 11 chapters and Personal Stories, many of which were left out of the Third and Fourth Editions. Subscribe for free on Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts. Or listen on https://bigbookpodcast.com To contact Alcoholics Anonymous World Services, visit aa.org. [Disclaimer: In strict adherence to A.A.’s traditions, my anonymous guests and I speak for ourselves only, not for Alcoholics Anonymous at large. We share only our personal experiences with A.A. recovery. We acknowledge that AA’s sole concern is the recovery and continued sobriety of those alcoholics who turn to the Fellowship for help. As members of AA, our primary purpose is to stay sober and to help other alcoholics achieve sobriety. – Howard L.]

With an astonishing 48 years of sobriety, Dyanne credits her longevity to the AA service work she has done since the earliest days of her Program. Whether it was making coffee, cleaning up after meetings, or representing her groups at the district or area levels, Dyanne refers to this vital service work as both “life-changing” and absolutely necessary to her sobriety. Of particular importance was the role she played as Area Secretary, which required intensive listening during business meetings to accurately record the minutes. As she honed her listening skills, she found that her focus shifted from herself onto others. She discovered a new love for her fellows in AA by simply listening more. Over the many years, her service activities, as well as sponsorship of many women, have anchored Dyanne firmly in the middle of the Program. Forty-eight years is an unfathomable amount of time, especially when viewed by newcomers to the Program. It naturally creates some apprehension about even approaching “old-timers.” But Dyanne goes out of her way to welcome newcomers and help them understand the relationship between service performed and sobriety maintained. She embodies the truism that long-term contented sobriety is the natural result of staying actively engaged in the Program on a daily basis. Dyanne’s story is chocked-full of simple wisdom that anyone can use to stay sober a day, a week, a month, years, or even decades. Her sobriety date is the only part of her story that sounds old. The rest of her message is a fresh as the next meeting of Alcoholics Anonymous and just as inviting. Visit the AA Recovery Interviews website for more information and to contact me, Howard L. Check out Howard’s Big Book Podcast, the complete unabridged audio version of the First and Second Editions of Alcoholics Anonymous. The Big Book Podcast is an engaging cover-to-cover, word-for-word reading of all 11 chapters and Personal Stories, many of which were left out of the Third and Fourth Editions. Subscribe for free on Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts. Or listen on https://bigbookpodcast.com To contact Alcoholics Anonymous World Services, visit aa.org. [Disclaimer: In strict adherence to A.A.’s traditions, my anonymous guests and I speak for ourselves only, not for Alcoholics Anonymous at large. We share only our personal experiences with A.A. recovery. We acknowledge that AA’s sole concern is the recovery and continued sobriety of those alcoholics who turn to the Fellowship for help. As members of AA, our primary purpose is to stay sober and to help other alcoholics achieve sobriety. – Howard L.]

A Viet Nam veteran from a family fraught with alcoholism, Bob’s post-war progression into the disease of alcoholism accompanied a long and hard-driven business career in the banking industry. But, by the time he had raised three children and accumulated a great deal of material success, Bob’s alcoholism and other addictive behaviors severely bit into his home life. His marriage unraveled and his relationship with his adult children deteriorated. Completely dispirited by his late 50’s, Bob contemplated the same deadly exit plan his father had taken some 25 years earlier. Fortunately, his turning point was towards sobriety and AA. Interestingly, Bob’s sobriety through active participation in the Program had little impact on his other addictive behavior, which he struggled with for years after he got sober from alcohol. But, with the help of a sustained AA program, Bob finally surrendered his other addiction on his road of recovery. There’s a lot more to this story that you’ll hear shortly. After nearly 14 years of west coast AA, Bob made it back to Houston in 2016, which is where I caught up with him. Though divorced and estranged from his family in California, in the past nearly 5 years he has re-built a new and happier life for himself. His story is one that I admire greatly. I think you will, too. So settle back and enjoy the next hour of my interview with my good friend and AA brother, Bob W. Visit the AA Recovery Interviews website for more information and to contact me, Howard L. Check out Howard’s Big Book Podcast, the complete unabridged audio version of the First and Second Editions of Alcoholics Anonymous. The Big Book Podcast is an engaging cover-to-cover, word-for-word reading of all 11 chapters and Personal Stories, many of which were left out of the Third and Fourth Editions. Subscribe for free on Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts. Or listen on https://bigbookpodcast.com Join our Facebook Group and share your own experience, strength, and hope with other AAs. To contact Alcoholics Anonymous World Services, visit aa.org. [Disclaimer: In strict adherence to A.A.’s traditions, my anonymous guests and I speak for ourselves only, not for Alcoholics Anonymous at large. We share only our personal experiences with A.A. recovery. We acknowledge that AA’s sole concern is the recovery and continued sobriety of those alcoholics who turn to the Fellowship for help. As members of AA, our primary purpose is to stay sober and to help other alcoholics achieve sobriety. – Howard L.]

After a long period of sobriety, Marcia let up on her Program and plunged into a 7-year relapse. Seduced by the disease, she was convinced she could drink normally. That illusion took her to the depths of despair from which few survive. That she barely made it back to AA and sobriety is nothing short of a miracle. Marcia G. first got sober in 1990. But 8 years into that sobriety, her interest and involvement in AA started to wane. She went to fewer and fewer meetings, becoming increasingly convinced that her real problem was with drugs, not alcohol. By the time she slipped after 12 years, and during the early years of that relapse, her experimentation with social drinking seemed to be working. She believed herself no longer an alcoholic. Seduced by alcohol, her misguided belief soon deteriorated as she began a tragic downward slide back into the bottle. With a child and husband, and previous experience with AA, she had lots of reasons to get sober again. But it took a 7 year beating by the disease before she barely made it back to AA. Thoroughly devastated, she got a sponsor and started to work the Program in earnest. As the years multiplied, Marcia stayed in the middle of the Program, going to lots of meetings, continuing service work, and sponsoring many women from a treatment hospital she herself had attended. Today, Marcia is once again sober 12 years, but this period of sobriety is infused into every facet of her life. Marcia’s story of long-term sobriety, interrupted by a lengthy slip, should be particularly instructive to anyone who’s ever inhabited the outer regions of the Program where alcohol’s seduction seems the greatest. That Marcia made it back to even tell the story is a worthy demonstration of a power greater than herself. That she has anchored her sobriety to such a strong AA Program, by continuously doing the work, is fine encouragement to anyone struggling to get to the center. This is the 32nd interview in the AA Recovery Interviews podcast. Take a deep breath…exhale, and enjoy the next 60 minutes listening to my friend and AA sister, Marcia G. Visit the AA Recovery Interviews website for more information and to contact me, Howard L. Check out Howard’s Big Book Podcast, the complete unabridged audio version of the First and Second Editions of Alcoholics Anonymous. The Big Book Podcast is an engaging cover-to-cover, word-for-word reading of all 11 chapters and Personal Stories, many of which were left out of the Third and Fourth Editions. Subscribe for free on Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts. Or listen on https://bigbookpodcast.com Join our Facebook Group and share your own experience, strength, and hope with other AAs. To contact Alcoholics Anonymous World Services, visit aa.org. [Disclaimer: In strict adherence to A.A.’s traditions, my anonymous guests and I speak for ourselves only, not for Alcoholics Anonymous at large. We share only our personal experiences with A.A. recovery. We acknowledge that AA’s sole concern is the recovery and continued sobriety of those alcoholics who turn to the Fellowship for help. As members of AA, our primary purpose is to stay sober and to help other alcoholics achieve sobriety. – Howard L.]

As a toddler, Jim accompanied his siblings to parties where he got his first taste of marijuana and alcohol. For his 10th birthday, his adult brother got him a joint and shots of peppermint schnapps. By 13, he was a daily pot smoker and drinking whenever he could. His race to the bottom ended when he got sober at age 21. On this episode of AA Recovery Interviews, meet Jim W., an active member of AA for the past 32 years. His journey through alcoholism and drug addiction started early in life. After Jim’s parents divorced when he was six months old, he was essentially raised by his two sisters and brother who were 14, 16, and 18 years older, while his mother worked to support the family. As a child, he engaged in all of the drug and alcohol-riddled behavior practiced by his older siblings. By high school he was crashing cars and frequently getting into trouble. In addition to regular drinking, Jim became a drug dealer to support his own habit of mainlining cocaine. He went to a party college, where his first DWI landed him in jail replete with DTs and drug withdrawal. As he spiraled downward, a desperate visit to a psychiatrist, and coincidental death of two childhood friends who were on his path, provided Jim’s wakeup call at the age of 21. After two weeks in a treatment center, and another slip, Jim thankfully ran into a friend who had been sober in AA for five years. He offered Jim help. Completely defeated, Jim came into AA in Cleveland, Ohio and found a sponsor the first day. His immersive experience in the Program throughout his first 18 months, formed a solid foundation of sobriety and service for years to come. Jim frequently quotes the Big Book from memory, not to show off, but in the earnest desire to help others. He stills goes to lots of meetings and sponsors new men all the time, with the same firm, no-nonsense approach to working the 12 Steps that was ingrained in Jim by the northeast Ohio brand of AA. Jim's story is a fine example of what grateful sobriety looks like after 32 years in AA. I’m glad I’ve known Jim W. for the majority of that time and hope you’ll enjoy what he has to say in this, the, the 31st interview of the AA Recovery Interviews podcast. Visit the AA Recovery Interviews website for more information and to contact me, Howard L. Check out Howard’s Big Book Podcast, the complete unabridged audio version of the First and Second Editions of Alcoholics Anonymous. The Big Book Podcast is an engaging cover-to-cover, word-for-word reading of all 11 chapters and Personal Stories, many of which were left out of the Third and Fourth Editions. Subscribe on Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts. Or listen on https://bigbookpodcast.com Join our Facebook Group and share your own experience, strength, and hope with other AAs. To contact Alcoholics Anonymous World Services, visit aa.org. [Disclaimer: In strict adherence to A.A.’s traditions, my anonymous guests and I speak for ourselves only, not for Alcoholics Anonymous at large. We share only our personal experiences with A.A. recovery. We acknowledge that AA’s sole concern is the recovery and continued sobriety of those alcoholics who turn to the Fellowship for help. As members of AA, our primary purpose is to stay sober and to help other alcoholics achieve sobriety. – Howard L.]

Aileen's story will strike a responsive chord for many AA members: Tough upbringing punctuated with violence and abuse; early use of drugs and/or alcohol just to survive home life; difficult and dangerous relationships in adulthood mired by alcoholism of one or both parties; self-loathing and despair; and ideations of suicide. Like many, Aileen’s story looked hopeless. In the end, it took in-patient mental health treatment, private therapy, and the guidance of a good mentor to lead Aileen into AA and other 12-step recovery. Even then, she slipped after being sober 15 months, but thankfully made it back in just a couple of weeks. Thoroughly beaten by the disease, in early 2009 she returned to AA and finally got down to seriously working the Program with the sponsor who never gave up on her. Like my other guests, Aileen’s story is cautionary, but quite hopeful for anyone facing the kind of challenges she has met and overcome. Today, she demonstrates her commitment to staying sober by virtue of the service she does with the women she sponsors. Her dedication to AA is also apparent in her role as secretary of the meeting in which we first met. What’s more, Aileen practices the principles of the Program in her own community by staying actively involved with organizations that address the myriad of mental health issues facing women in need. The importance of Aileen’s story cannot be understated. In this 30th interview of my podcast series, thanks for sharing the next hour of AA Recovery Interviews with my friend and AA sister, Aileen C. Visit the AA Recovery Interviews website for more information and to contact me, Howard L. Check out Howard’s Big Book Podcast, the complete unabridged audio version of the First and Second Editions of Alcoholics Anonymous. The Big Book Podcast is an engaging cover-to-cover, word-for-word reading of all 11 chapters and Personal Stories, many of which were left out of the Third and Fourth Editions. Subscribe on Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts. Or listen on https://bigbookpodcast.com Join our Facebook Group and share your own experience, strength, and hope with other AAs. To contact Alcoholics Anonymous World Services, visit aa.org. [Disclaimer: In strict adherence to A.A.’s traditions, my anonymous guests and I speak for ourselves only, not for Alcoholics Anonymous at large. We share only our personal experiences with A.A. recovery. We acknowledge that AA’s sole concern is the recovery and continued sobriety of those alcoholics who turn to the Fellowship for help. As members of AA, our primary purpose is to stay sober and to help other alcoholics achieve sobriety. – Howard L.]

Jim H. is one of those alcoholics whose unabated drinking created serious medical problems amidst all the other destruction of career and family. He did not drink much in high school. But in college, he was a tie-died in the wool hippie, with a penchant for marijuana, hashish, LSD, and psilocybin mushrooms. He used amphetamines to achieve academic success. But it was the alcohol that took him down rapidly during his early career as an attorney. He became a daily drinker and was ultimately hospitalized with alcohol-induced cardio myopathy that was destroying his heart muscle. But he somehow survived through white-knuckle sobriety, until he felt better. Then he drank again. Jim repeated this pattern over and over until 1996 when diminishing liver function and gastro-intestinal distress made it impossible to nourish his skeletal body. His bottom reached, he crawled into a treatment facility, and shortly thereafter into AA. I met Jim in his earliest days of AA nearly 25 years ago. As with all new members, I had no idea of whether this very sick man would make it. But he kept coming back to the same meetings I attended. I got to know him and see demonstrated his ardent desire to stay sober. Sponsored by a good friend of mine, Jim worked the steps and continued to stay in the middle of the Program. His physical health was restored. Given the opportunity, Jim has shared about the bodily destruction that alcohol can cause even in the early years of the disease. Were anyone who’s slipped to hear Jim’s story, they might be moved to make it back to the rooms of AA sooner than later. The importance of his message cannot be understated. This is the 29th interview in this podcast. I’m certain you will find of immense interest. So please enjoy the next hour and ten minutes of AA Recovery Interviews with my long-time friend and AA brother, Jim H. Visit the AA Recovery Interviews website for more information and to contact me, Howard L. Join our Facebook Group and share your own experience, strength, and hope with other AAs. To contact Alcoholics Anonymous World Services, visit aa.org. Check out Howard’s Big Book Podcast, the complete unabridged audio version of the First and Second Editions of Alcoholics Anonymous. The Big Book Podcast is an engaging cover-to-cover, word-for-word reading of all 11 chapters and Personal Stories, many of which were left out of the Third and Fourth Editions. Subscribe on Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts. Or listen on https://bigbookpodcast.com [Disclaimer: In strict adherence to A.A.’s traditions, my anonymous guests and I speak for ourselves only, not for Alcoholics Anonymous at large. We share only our personal experiences with A.A. recovery. We acknowledge that AA’s sole concern is the recovery and continued sobriety of those alcoholics who turn to the Fellowship for help. As members of AA, our primary purpose is to stay sober and to help other alcoholics achieve sobriety. – Howard L.]

The wisdom MaryCeline conveys is that of one who’s fought hard and suffered much in her battle for sobriety. With multiple stints in AA since 1999, her relapses became increasingly miserable and hopeless. When she finally claimed her current sobriety date in 2013, it was at the desperate end of round-the-clock drinking. From the ashes, her AA program was reignited under the careful guidance of a loving sponsor whom it appears God placed in her life. Together they launched MaryCeline's ongoing commitment to reside in the middle of the Program, replete with the kind of service upon which truly solid sobriety can be based. As you listen to MaryCeline’s story, you’re likely to identify with many of her experiences, as did I. Her cautionary, yet instructive, tale inspires gratitude that the teller survived and returned to the Program to convey such a vital message of experience, strength, and hope. That she survived to become an active member with contented sobriety, living in the middle of the herd, is proof that surpasses understanding that AA does indeed work, if we work it. For this podcast, the 28th episode of AA Recovery Interviews, please allow me to share with you the next 60 minutes with my friend and AA sister, MaryCeline L. Visit the AA Recovery Interviews website for more information and to contact me, Howard L. Join our Facebook Group and share your own experience, strength, and hope with other AAs. To contact Alcoholics Anonymous World Services, visit aa.org. Check out Howard’s Big Book Podcast, the complete unabridged audio version of the First and Second Editions of Alcoholics Anonymous. The Big Book Podcast is an engaging cover-to-cover, word-for-word reading of all 11 chapters and Personal Stories, many of which were left out of the Third and Fourth Editions. Subscribe on Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts. Or listen on https://bigbookpodcast.com [Disclaimer: In strict adherence to A.A.’s traditions, my anonymous guests and I speak for ourselves only, not for Alcoholics Anonymous at large. We share only our personal experiences with A.A. recovery. We acknowledge that AA’s sole concern is the recovery and continued sobriety of those alcoholics who turn to the Fellowship for help. As members of AA, our primary purpose is to stay sober and to help other alcoholics achieve sobriety. – Howard L.]

Sponsorship is essential to recovery in Alcoholics Anonymous. An effective sponsor can literally save the life of a fellow alcoholic by guiding him/her through the work that's necessary to stay sober. My guest on today's podcast is Mike S. He saved my life by being my sponsor for the past 32 years. Mike's AA story is so intertwined with mine that you may learn more about me in this podcast than any other. When we first met in late 1988, I’d been sober only about 10 months. Though I attended meetings and didn't drink, I also didn't have a sponsor and wasn't working the Program. I was miserable in AA, heading towards certain relapse because I didn’t have a sponsor to guide me and to whom I could be accountable. Mike had been in AA a year longer than I, but he’d gotten a sponsor at 3 months who worked him through the 12 steps very methodically, with an emphasis on the spiritual nature of our Program. The deep and collective wisdom that Mike imparted to me was gleaned from his sponsor. When Mike became my sponsor, he immediately put me to work on the 12 Steps. My Program took off. My life soon became much happier and very sober-centric. To this day, Mike’s guidance in AA has been indispensable to my sobriety. It's an integral part of my personal story. Interestingly, Mike hasn’t lived in my same city since 1994, yet we’ve remained quite close over all these years. Frequent phone calls, emails, texts, and Mike’s business visits to Houston, have made the miles between us irrelevant to our relationship. Mike's own story is both meaningful and intriguing. It's an exceptional account of the vital importance of having a sponsor and being a sponsor in the AA Program. To be sure, most of what I know about living an enriched sober life and carrying AA’s message to other alcoholics, I learned from Mike. So on this, the 27th episode of AA Recovery Interviews, please enjoy my good friend, sponsor, and AA brother, Mike S. Visit the AA Recovery Interviews website for more information and to contact me, Howard L. Join our Facebook Group and share your own experience, strength, and hope with other AAs. To contact Alcoholics Anonymous World Services, visit aa.org. Check out Howard’s Big Book Podcast, the complete unabridged audio version of the First and Second Editions of Alcoholics Anonymous. The Big Book Podcast is an engaging cover-to-cover, word-for-word reading of all 11 chapters and Personal Stories, many of which were left out of the Third and Fourth Editions. Subscribe on Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts. Or listen on https://bigbookpodcast.com [Disclaimer: In strict adherence to A.A.’s traditions, my anonymous guests and I speak for ourselves only, not for Alcoholics Anonymous at large. We share only our personal experiences with A.A. recovery. We acknowledge that AA’s sole concern is the recovery and continued sobriety of those alcoholics who turn to the Fellowship for help. As members of AA, our primary purpose is to stay sober and to help other alcoholics achieve sobriety. – Howard L.]

Some alcoholics go to AA meetings even though they haven't stopped drinking. They may fulfill AA’s only membership requirement, expressed in the 3rd Tradition, by having the desire to stop drinking. But, for whatever reason, they just cannot stop. Though it may be unusual to have someone in a meeting who's actively drinking, their presence is still important to AA newcomers and veterans alike. Today’s guest, Emily M., is one of those who had the desire, but simply could not stop drinking in the nearly 5 years she attended AA meetings on a regular basis. Many of her fellow members gave up on her along the way. But the spirit of the 3rd Tradition prevailed among those who really cared and they encouraged her to get sober. Eventually, she stopped drinking over 31 years ago. After finally getting sober, Emily immersed herself in the Program of Alcoholics Anonymous. She got a sponsor, studied the Big Book, worked the steps, and continued to attend meetings. She became heavily involved in service work and sponsorship. And she found a much-needed spiritual connection through her active involvement in the fellowship. Emily’s powerful story is one of perseverance and determination. For those who are still drinking and/or struggling to stay sober, even while attending meetings, her message provides a useful addendum to one of AA’s most popular sayings: Meeting-makers make it…sooner or later. So on this, the 26th episode of AA Recovery Interviews, I’m thrilled to welcome my good friend and AA sister, Emily M. Visit the AA Recovery Interviews website for more information and to contact me, Howard L. Join our Facebook Group and share your own experience, strength, and hope with other AAs. To contact Alcoholics Anonymous World Services, visit aa.org. Check out Howard’s Big Book Podcast, the complete unabridged audio version of the First and Second Editions of Alcoholics Anonymous. The Big Book Podcast is an engaging cover-to-cover, word-for-word reading of all 11 chapters and Personal Stories, many of which were left out of the Third and Fourth Editions. Subscribe on Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts. Or listen on https://bigbookpodcast.com [Disclaimer: In strict adherence to A.A.’s traditions, my anonymous guests and I speak for ourselves only, not for Alcoholics Anonymous at large. We share only our personal experiences with A.A. recovery. We acknowledge that AA’s sole concern is the recovery and continued sobriety of those alcoholics who turn to the Fellowship for help. As members of AA, our primary purpose is to stay sober and to help other alcoholics achieve sobriety. – Howard L.]

Gordon R. got sober AA four months before Neil Armstrong put his foot on the moon. By the age of 28, in the spring of 1969, Gordon’s rapid descent into full-blown alcoholism had taken him from a burgeoning career as a globe-trotting engineer to panhandling on the streets of New York City. Fortunately, when he found the Program, the old-timers who’d been sober since the very earliest days of AA took Gordon under their care and helped him build the solid foundation on which his Program stills stands strong and thrives more than a half-century later. Gordon’s story of sobriety is one of both triumph and tragedy, of a path well-traveled thanks to his consistent involvement in Alcoholics Anonymous. Gordon’s rich experiences in working an active program, which includes frequent meetings, are both instructive and inspirational to all who wonder about the possibility of actually achieving long-term sobriety. Today’s show with Gordon R. is about 90 minutes long with the best audio quality Zoom was able to provide on interview day. But, whether you listen to it straight-through or in segments, my hope is that you’ll find what you’ve been waiting to hear. With that, I welcome to AA Recovery Interviews my good friend and AA brother, Gordon R. Visit the AA Recovery Interviews website for more information and to contact me, Howard L. Join our Facebook Group and share your own experience, strength, and hope with other AAs. To contact Alcoholics Anonymous World Services, visit aa.org. Check out Howard’s Big Book Podcast, the complete unabridged audio version of the First and Second Editions of Alcoholics Anonymous. The Big Book Podcast is an engaging cover-to-cover, word-for-word reading of all 11 chapters and Personal Stories, many of which were left out of the Third and Fourth Editions. Subscribe on Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts. Or listen on https://bigbookpodcast.com [Disclaimer: In strict adherence to A.A.’s traditions, my anonymous guests and I speak for ourselves only, not for Alcoholics Anonymous at large. We share only our personal experiences with A.A. recovery. We acknowledge that AA’s sole concern is the recovery and continued sobriety of those alcoholics who turn to the Fellowship for help. As members of AA, our primary purpose is to stay sober and to help other alcoholics achieve sobriety. – Howard L.]

As the daughter of a Louisiana bar-owner, Teska's father would spike her Coca Cola with whiskey when she was a child. But, though her family was rife with alcoholism within a culture where drinking was a way of life, Teska lived most of her life as a normal or social drinker. It wasn’t until she retired, after a long and successful career as a lawyer, that alcoholism bit into her life with ferocity. Teska’s self-admitted workaholism kept her use of alcohol and occasional binges confined to weekends throughout her legal career. But after she retired in her fifties, alcoholism took over with vengence where her work addictions left off. Like the man in the Big Book who retired to his carpet slippers, bathrobe, and irrepressible drinking, Teska headed down the same road to ruin. But unlike the man in the story, she didn’t have to die to stop drinking. Instead, she came to AA. Sober in AA for nearly 5 years now, Teska’s journey in sobriety is a tale worth hearing. Finding AA in her early 60’s, centering herself in the Program, and working the 12 Steps has enriched her quality of life. She clearly embodies what a woman transformed by Alcoholics Anonymous can be, irrespective of age. Her hopefulness for a happy and service-oriented future as a member of AA comes through loud and clear. On this episode of AA Recovery Interviews, I’m delighted to welcome my AA sister, Teska M. to the show. Visit the AA Recovery Interviews website for more information and to contact me, Howard L. Join our Facebook Group and share your own experience, strength, and hope with other AAs. To contact Alcoholics Anonymous World Services, visit aa.org. Check out Howard’s Big Book Podcast, the complete unabridged audio version of the First and Second Editions of Alcoholics Anonymous. The Big Book Podcast is an engaging cover-to-cover, word-for-word reading of all 11 chapters and Personal Stories, many of which were left out of the Third and Fourth Editions. Subscribe on Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts. Or listen on https://bigbookpodcast.com [Disclaimer: In strict adherence to A.A.’s traditions, my anonymous guests and I speak for ourselves only, not for Alcoholics Anonymous at large. We share only our personal experiences with A.A. recovery. We acknowledge that AA’s sole concern is the recovery and continued sobriety of those alcoholics who turn to the Fellowship for help. As members of AA, our primary purpose is to stay sober and to help other alcoholics achieve sobriety. – Howard L.]

Effective sponsorship stands out as a major tenet in the success of Lee's AA Program. Though sponsorship is often discussed, the role Lee's sponsor has played throughout Lee’s sobriety is especially illuminating in a way I wish every AA newcomer could see. From the time they first met and throughout the careful working of the 12 steps, to the point when Lee started sponsoring others, the importance of having a sponsor and being a sponsor has been demonstrated by both men. Of particular note is the gift of time and attention that his sponsor unselfishly gave Lee, even in the midst of building his business and raising children. Hearing Lee describe it, it’s clear that both he and his sponsor not only embraced the concept of working with others but found the vital activity of sponsorship itself highly enriching to them and the lives of others. What’s more, it’s evident that Lee has applied this same dedication to the rest of his program and life. With over 8 years of sobriety and still under 30 years of age, Lee’s captivating story provides lots of hope for younger AAs and a meaningful reminder of the basic elements of the Program that are so necessary to staying sober. To me, “Keep it simple” is a mantra that could be easily applied to Lee’s daily program. As you listen to this AA Recovery Interviews podcast, I think you’ll agree and find the next hour most enjoyable. So, welcome to my AA brother and friend, Lee H. Visit the AA Recovery Interviews website for more information and to contact me, Howard L. Join our Facebook Group and share your own experience, strength, and hope with other AAs. To contact Alcoholics Anonymous World Services, visit aa.org. Check out Howard’s Big Book Podcast, the complete unabridged audio version of the First and Second Editions of Alcoholics Anonymous. The Big Book Podcast is an engaging cover-to-cover, word-for-word reading of all 11 chapters and Personal Stories, many of which were left out of the Third and Fourth Editions. Subscribe on Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts. Or listen on https://bigbookpodcast.com [Disclaimer: In strict adherence to A.A.’s traditions, my anonymous guests and I speak for ourselves only, not for Alcoholics Anonymous at large. We share only our personal experiences with A.A. recovery. We acknowledge that AA’s sole concern is the recovery and continued sobriety of those alcoholics who turn to the Fellowship for help. As members of AA, our primary purpose is to stay sober and to help other alcoholics achieve sobriety. – Howard L.]

Sue C. is one of those rare people whose presence in my early meetings was an important factor in my willingness and desire to keep attending AA. She was not only welcoming to me, but the way she shared about the steps and traditions; sponsorship and meetings; and service to others and to God, was one of my first realizations that I wanted what another alcoholic had. She exemplified how the promises always materialize if we work for them. Throughout her nearly 35 years of sobriety, Sue has stayed close to the Program, using what she learned in the beginning to undo the damage to her family and herself. Facing severe challenges along the way, she engaged the fellowship through meetings and her sponsors and sponsees to meet those challenges and demonstrate the life-saving benefits of AA. One of the greatest gifts she has sustained has been a fifty-year marriage, the last 12 years of which have been happily bolstered by her husband getting sober in 2008. Sue has been a friend for many years and the success of her Program is greatly informative to both single and married members of our fellowship. So please enjoy the next hour of AA Recovery Interviews with my AA sister, Sue C. Visit the AA Recovery Interviews website for more information and to contact me, Howard L. Join our Facebook Group and share your own experience, strength, and hope with other AAs. Check out Howard’s Big Book Podcast, the complete unabridged audio version of the First and Second Editions of Alcoholics Anonymous. The Big Book Podcast is an engaging cover-to-cover, word-for-word reading of all 11 chapters and Personal Stories, many of which were left out of the Third and Fourth Editions. Subscribe on Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts. Or listen on https://bigbookpodcast.com To contact Alcoholics Anonymous World Services, visit aa.org. [Disclaimer: In strict adherence to A.A.’s traditions, my anonymous guests and I speak for ourselves only, not for Alcoholics Anonymous at large. We share only our personal experiences with A.A. recovery. We acknowledge that AA’s sole concern is the recovery and continued sobriety of those alcoholics who turn to the Fellowship for help. As members of AA, our primary purpose is to stay sober and to help other alcoholics achieve sobriety. – Howard L.]

After a difficult adolescence, prison sentence, and series of dead-end jobs, Jimmy finally hit the jackpot. He was hired by a California winery, where he worked for over 20 years. This dream job not only allowed him to drink while at work, but actually required it. His job as a wine salesman necessitated intimate knowledge of every bottle he sold and daily drinking with customers. Thus, Jimmy’s long-time alcoholism and drug abuse was fueled by the demands of his job. Then came his downward spiral replete with divorces, physical decline, drunk driving, and mental issues. Fortunately, as the bottom approached, he had a moment of clarity. After 30 days inpatient treatment, he found AA and has stayed sober ever since. Ironically, when he got sober and informed his employer, he was fired for not agreeing to drink on the job. For a functional alcoholic, this was another gift he could not ignore. Over his more than 21 years of sobriety, Jimmy has parlayed that experience into a strong program focused on constant service to the fellowship and helping people in his community. Though I only met Jimmy about a year ago on Zoom, we formed an instant bond based on a shared love for Alcoholics Anonymous and our mutual willingness to help others. I’ve been fascinated by his story and feels like I’ve known him for years. I think you’ll feel that way, too, over the next hour as you listen to this AA Recovery Interview with my AA brother, Jimmy S. Visit the AA Recovery Interviews website for more information and to contact me, Howard L. Join our Facebook Group and share your own experience, strength, and hope with other AAs. Visit the AA Recovery Interviews website for more information and to contact me, Howard L. Join our Facebook Group and share your own experience, strength, and hope with other AAs. Check out Howard’s Big Book Podcast, the complete unabridged audio version of the First and Second Editions of Alcoholics Anonymous. The Big Book Podcast is an engaging cover-to-cover, word-for-word reading of all 11 chapters and Personal Stories, many of which were left out of the Third and Fourth Editions. Subscribe on Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts. Or listen on https://bigbookpodcast.com To contact Alcoholics Anonymous World Services, visit aa.org. [Disclaimer: In strict adherence to A.A.’s traditions, my anonymous guests and I speak for ourselves only, not for Alcoholics Anonymous at large. We share only our personal experiences with A.A. recovery. We acknowledge that AA’s sole concern is the recovery and continued sobriety of those alcoholics who turn to the Fellowship for help. As members of AA, our primary purpose is to stay sober and to help other alcoholics achieve sobriety. – Howard L.]

Lucy G. is one of those rare members of Alcoholics Anonymous who found the 12-Steps by participating in another program for many years before she came into AA. In fact, Lucy’s experience in Al-Anon was sufficient enough to help her deal with the alcoholics in her life, while her own use and then abuse of alcohol, continued completely unabated in the background. So, though she had gained lots of knowledge about the disease, it wasn’t until after her kids were grown and out of the house, that her own alcoholism took control of her life. Binge drinking, then an ever increasing dependence on alcohol, assailed her for years until she had hit her bottom. Fortunately, because of her attendance as an Al-Anon member of a few open AA meetings years earlier, she found the doors of Alcoholics Anonymous. And, despite some of the similarities between the programs, Lucy still found herself starting at Step 1 in AA, along with the usual struggles new-comers often face. I met Lucy when she first got sober and have attended many meetings with her over the years. Through her quirky early weeks of trying to interior decorate the AA club, Lucy settled down into a solid program, guided by a strong sponsor, and supported through the fellowship she quickly embraced in the rooms. At 13 years sober, Lucy has become a model AA citizen and a dependable member of our AA club. Hers is a story I think you’ll enjoy and I invite you to kick back for the next hour with my good friend and AA sister, Lucy G. Visit the AA Recovery Interviews website for more information and to contact me, Howard L. Join our Facebook Group and share your own experience, strength, and hope with other AAs. To contact Alcoholics Anonymous World Services, visit aa.org. Check out Howard’s Big Book Podcast, the complete unabridged audio version of the First and Second Editions of Alcoholics Anonymous. The Big Book Podcast is an engaging word-for-word reading of all 11 chapters and more than 50 original stories most people have never seen. If you’ve only read the Fourth Edition, these amazing stories will be brand new to you. Subscribe on Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts. Or listen on https://bigbookpodcast.com [Disclaimer: In strict adherence to A.A.’s traditions, my anonymous guests and I speak for ourselves only, not for Alcoholics Anonymous at large. We share only our personal experiences with A.A. recovery. We acknowledge that AA’s sole concern is the recovery and continued sobriety of those alcoholics who turn to the Fellowship for help. As members of AA, our primary purpose is to stay sober and to help other alcoholics achieve sobriety. – Howard L.]

Would a court-mandated breathalyzer and the fear of going to prison be enough to keep Matt dry? Or should he embrace AA's spiritually-anchored Program of sobriety based upon proven steps of action, fellowship, and service? My guest today, Matt M., faced that choice. His life today reflects the decision he made. As my first Millennial guest, Matt has 5 years of sobriety and, at age 31, he demonstrates AA’s effectiveness at reaching across the generations of alcoholics to provide answers and the hope of a better future. I met Matt when he first got sober. He attended our men’s meeting on a weekly basis, but after a while, I stopped seeing him. Curious as to where he was, I learned from some men who knew him that, although he was still sober, he hadn’t been attending meetings regularly as he had in the beginning. When I next saw him, I asked him about that hiatus and he told me of the distractions to his Program. You know, jobs, relationships, and the other things that take people out every day. Fortunately, he recommitted to AA, redoubled his work in the program, and ultimately picked up a sponsee. Most importantly, he didn’t drink. As you listen to this episode of AA Recovery Interviews, take note of the progressive nature of Matt’s disease and the choices he faced along the way. Should he use the court-mandated daily breathalyzer and the fear of going to prison as the reason to stay dry? Or should he embrace spiritually-oriented sobriety based upon a proven program of action and fellowship? Matt’s experience speaks to both, but the way he lives his life today demonstrates his commitment to his AA program over any easier, softer solution. I invite you to share the next hour AA Recovery Interviews with any boomer, millennial, or any Gen X, Y, or Z alcoholic you know. I believe Matt’s perspective offers good orderly direction and a lot to be grateful for. So, I welcome my AA brother, Matt M., to AA Recovery Interviews. Visit the AA Recovery Interviews website for more information and to contact me, Howard L. To contact Alcoholics Anonymous World Services, visit aa.org. Check out Howard’s Big Book Podcast, the complete unabridged audio version of the First and Second Editions of Alcoholics Anonymous. The Big Book Podcast is an engaging word-for-word reading of all 11 chapters and more than 50 original stories most people have never seen. If you’ve only read the Fourth Edition, these amazing stories will be brand new to you. Subscribe on Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts. Or listen on https://bigbookpodcast.com [Disclaimer: In strict adherence to A.A.’s traditions, my anonymous guests and I speak for ourselves only, not for Alcoholics Anonymous at large. We share only our personal experiences with A.A. recovery. We acknowledge that AA’s sole concern is the recovery and continued sobriety of those alcoholics who turn to the Fellowship for help. As members of AA, our primary purpose is to stay sober and to help other alcoholics achieve sobriety. – Howard L.]